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For home defense a Colt 6920 was my pick. I pulled the 16" barrel and put a Colt factory 14.5" in it's place.
I would avoid BCM like they carried the plague. Why avoid BCM? From personal experience. They don't stand behind what they sell. Years ago I listened to all the BCM fan boys on another site and bought one of their SPR uppers. The damn thing consistently shot 4" groups at 100yds. I called, nobody answers. The recording says they are too busy to talk to people on the phone and to leave a message and they would get back to me when it's convenient for THEM. I do this 4 times over the coarse of a week and NEVER get a return phone call. After that I figure maybe it's best to email. I had done this before and knew they had no trouble returning emails when I wanted TO BUY SOMETHING. 6 emails later and I hear nothing but crickets. In the emails I explained my problems with the upper. I told them about trying many different load combo's using my reloads and factory ammo in many different bullet weights and powder combo's to give it a fair chance of finding something it liked. I told them I had run over 400 rounds down the barrel to make sure it was broke in before I contacted them. A few more emails to BCM later, I finally get a response that went something like this: Sorry to hear that, we suggest you keep shooting it and maybe it'll get better. Most of our customers report MOA accuracy with that upper. $1300 for a "precision" upper with AK-47 accuracy and no support other than encouraging words. No thanks. This has been probably 5-6 years ago and maybe things have changed but I wouldn't chance it.
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That's what I thought. I knew you had a bad experience with a barrel or something but couldn't remember exactly. I've had good luck with BCM, accurate and reliable had been my experience. I've never had to send something back though.
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I've had LWRC and currently have a Daniel Defense, but been contemplating a "cheap" AR15 as a permanent fixture in my truck.
Hows the does the S&W M&P15 Sport compare/rate against the Colt LE6920?
The M&P15 can be had for well under 600.
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$1300 for a "precision" upper with AK-47 accuracy and no support other than encouraging words. No thanks.
lots of good uppers for that price or less, & you'll get a target with 3 shots under an inch as well...........not the end all, do all, but more than good enough to satisfy most. Might not do 10 under an inch though..........just sayin' MM
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Unless you're wanting a target gun, Colt 6920's can be had for $799 brand new (I just found 3 for a buddy with Magpul furniture on it 60 miles away). Deals are out there.
At that price, nothing else is going to be cheap enough to even be close in reliability, quality and value.
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Yep, I expected a lot more than what I got.
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Unless you're wanting a target gun, Colt 6920's can be had for $799 brand new (I just found 3 for a buddy with Magpul furniture on it 60 miles away). Deals are out there.
At that price, nothing else is going to be cheap enough to even be close in reliability, quality and value. You said a mouthful there. I bought mine back when they were $1000. Great rifle even at that price.
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You had a right to expect more for that price.................
They should have taken it back, no questions asked, IMO.
MM
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Unless you're wanting a target gun, Colt 6920's can be had for $799 brand new (I just found 3 for a buddy with Magpul furniture on it 60 miles away). Deals are out there.
At that price, nothing else is going to be cheap enough to even be close in reliability, quality and value. I found the LE6920 for $760 brand new with Magpul (MOE) Gen 2 furniture, but dipped in Kryptek Highlander camo.
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I've had LWRC and currently have a Daniel Defense, but been contemplating a "cheap" AR15 as a permanent fixture in my truck.
Hows the does the S&W M&P15 Sport compare/rate against the Colt LE6920?
The M&P15 can be had for well under 600.
Have seen 3 S/W locally. Other than replace triggers have never seen them have any issues whatsoever. Fairly accurate too. More so than the Colts of old. But I have not paid for a Colt in close to 20 years
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My S&W actually has a fairly decent trigger. But I digress as I'm an AR novice.
I did put a heavy buffer and spring in it per Blue's recommendation. Apparently a little 'over' gased. It did help. Not that it didn't function before, it did, but it felt like it was really slamming harder than it needed to.
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Who has the $799 colts? Is that a shipped price?
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My S&W actually has a fairly decent trigger. But I digress as I'm an AR novice.
I did put a heavy buffer and spring in it per Blue's recommendation. Apparently a little 'over' gased. It did help. Not that it didn't function before, it did, but it felt like it was really slamming harder than it needed to. They may have picked up their game some and that would be nice to hear.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Who has the $799 colts? Is that a shipped price? A store south of me and that was the walk out price. They also had the kryptec camo dip. I have been holding out for a 6720 but may pick up a 6920 even though I don't need another, they are too cheap to ignore.
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Buy an Anderson Arms lower receiver from your local dealer for $50, then get the rest of the stuff from Palmetto State Armory when they have their Black Friday sale. Put it together yourself. Any guesses how low they'll go? They were 34.99 last week. I'm thinking everybody ramped up production and never stopped. Now everybody has inventory up the ass. Plenty of $1200 never fired Bushmasters for sale from the fools that bought during the panic. Now is one of the better times to buy before the Mooselems attack.
Feel the Bern in your wallet.
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Who has the $799 colts? Is that a shipped price? A store south of me and that was the walk out price. They also had the kryptec camo dip. I have been holding out for a 6720 but may pick up a 6920 even though I don't need another, they are too cheap to ignore. I haven't been ignoring them.
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Meh, got the Kryptek Highlander LE6920. Going to toss on a SWFA SS 1-4x24mm Illuminati and rock it.
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You will be just fine and if the colt barrel sucks for accuracy you are +/- 200 bucks from a new one anyway.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Without going into a long dissertation, I would suggest one of two brands:
FN or Colt Defense. Both have a very extensive history in making very high quality guns for the military.
In Colt I would suggest either the 6920 or 6720. The only difference is the barrel profile. The 6920 has an M4 type profiled barrel. The 6720 has a "pencil" type profile and is quite light.
Yank the trigger out, and place it in a ziplock bag, as a spare. Drop in a Geissele trigger.
Top with optic of your choice, either a low powered variable or an RDO (red dot optic) Aimpoint is the standard by which all other RDOs are judged.
Add a white light.
Finally get a good quality sling. I prefer 2 point adjustable slings like the VTAC. A VCAS, or BFG 2 point sling will work too.
Stay away from single point slings unless you like getting racked in the balls during transition drills, and or like a rifle that flops all over the place when both hands are busy with another task.
In summary:
Colt or FN Geissele trigger Aimpoint white light of choice 2 point sling.
DONE.
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I have a Windham VEX-SS AND A ArmaLite M 15A4B both have Timney triggers and a Bushmaster it is my play gun the other 2 are long range shooters.All 3 are scopes.
Loves gun and reloading casting my own bullets
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