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When did 50 become 100? If someone is shooting AT you or others, are you still reluctant until you're dead?

Someone is shooting at you from 100 yards away. Your response is to say neener neener neener? Or in a loud voice do you tell the assailant he should stop shooting because Minnesota Law won't allow you to return fire? Please play fair Mr. criminal?

Does Minnesota have classes in elementary school or offer college degrees in stupidity?

No wonder MN goes blue every time. Some people die easy.

I don't think it's idiotic. I know it's idiotic.




Dave

Now it's 100?





dave

I got a $50 bill says them boys shared a cup at one time with BobinNH and Savage99

After all this enlightened discussion that's .......... stunning.

i would make the assumption that in each state things vary as one constitutes a reasonable and defendable shoot.
Arizona is among the least restrictive of states.
I.E. open carry, of anything, in most places.
concealed carry, in most places without permit
Castle doctrine, stand your ground which also extends to
vehicles.
We also have issued permits, which basically are good in two areas, less paperwork on buying a firearm, and travel outside the state.
Having said that I know one of the guys instrumental in writing the original concealed permit bill. And i have taken the classroom instruction, and on renewals when that was required.

a. You have to be in reconizable fear of death or grave physical harm from your assailant.
b. That person has to show intent of inflicting grave physical harm.
c. that person has to have the means of doing same.
They kind of standardized on the ten yard rule, meaning within ten yards a guy with a gun or knife has a lot more capability of harming you than someone back at 100yards.
but it is all situational. Meaning a guy waiving a pipe screaming at you they are going to kill you and they are 100yards out, the question comes up as to capability.
If that same person has a ar15with a scope on it pointed at you it means something else entirely.
Point meaning it is situational, but will be answered by a county attorney where ALL shootings are reviewed.

Thanks, I didn't know that piece of the puzzle.

Motors guys never seem to suffer from a lack of confidence, so I'm not surprise. Still very impressed.

I was replying to Sean, who bumped a '15 thread.

wn, even if for some reason there was a weird law saying you flat out can not shoot anyone past 50 yards, or 100, etc - is that a real reason for not having the skill to do so, or is it just an excuse?

I'll say again - you don't know what kind of fight you might end up in. If that time ever comes, do you want to make excuses for not winning, or do you personally want to have the skill and mindset to get the job done and be the guy who goes home? I know my answer, YMMV.

I'm pretty sure that a gun that will shoot minute of bad guy at 50 yards will also hit at 7.

I also dunno many handguns bigger than a derringer or something that one can't shoot minute of bad guy at 50 yards if one invests a modicium of practice time.

Didn't read through all 30 pages, prob'ly these points have been made already.

Birdwatcher

Bingo! I left this forum for a while because of the bitterness and decided to come back and check things out again since there truly is a wealth of knowledge here. However, not only have things not changed, but they seem to have gotten worse.

Most people don't have the laser rangefinder capability to know what is 42 yards versus 57 yards versus 100 yards under extreme stress. They do have a subconscious ability to understand danger, which, hopefully, they can articulate in words after a life threating event occurs. Distances in common places like movie theaters and restaurants can easily exceed 25 or even 50 yards, and a bad person with a gun, such as the Batman movie dude, can easily cover exits with fire and penetrate stuff like seat cushions. A shooter in a fixed position such as a sniper or trapped shooter can control long ranges, and some victims may be trapped close in with some cover or concealment but no other place to go without risking major exposure.

Excellent points.

I don't see any bitterness on here.




Dave

QFT.

When I was a teenager, I shot rocks, gallon cans etc scattered across a bare hillside using various centerfire revolvers and an old Colt 1911. I could only guess the distance, but I soon learned where to hold with each of them.

A few years later at the police academy an old Range Sgt. walked us out to the 50 yard line, apparently to teach us humility. We stood there at attention with a holstered, fixed sight 38 revolver, staring at a B27 that looked big as a house to me. Finally he says "Do any of you puppies think you can hit that from here?" I raised my hand and he says "Load six and go for it." I shot like I was always had, one handed, single-action and put six in the nine or ten ring. "Gawd DAMN Son! Where did you learn to shoot like that?" Me- "Shooting at rocks, groundhogs and coyotes Sir."

Why practice the long shots? The AH shooting at you only has to be lucky enough to skip one off the pavement into your femoral artery. You have to be good enough to nail him before he gets lucky.

You need a new instructor , 50 yards isn't that far in a rural area.

Better have a lawyer on speed dial if you shoot somebody in Minnesota and it is not justified.

WHO, exactly, (other than you) is talking about an unjustified shooting?