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Doing 35 in a 25 mph zone...... the old bastard needed a whuppin'.

Badge heavy cops are cowards at heart and when they paint themselves into a corner by issuing orders, enforcing that order becomes paramount in their mind. There is no re-consideration as to how necessary the order actually is, or how serious a circumstance the failure to comply actually would create.

I said from the git-go that this "failure to obey" would be the extent of Mr. Yantis's transgressions unless you count a "F U" as justification for murder.

Upon first reading of the account of Mr Yantis's death AND the treatment of his wife, the only proper emotion for a real man is "outrage".

Any "feeling", any "thought", aside from outrage marks a man as cowardly as these two deputies in my opinion.

Upon first reading of the account of Mr Yantis's death AND the treatment of his wife, the only proper emotion for a real man is "outrage".

What would have been proper procedure in that case? Wood did say that it was for his safety. Not trying to be a smart ass, I'd just like to know and not necessarily from you Paul.

Looks like they were pulled over in a parking lot.

IMO, when a cop asks you to get back in the car, you get back in the car.

You know, I can't find a thing here I don't agree with.

Pat,

Re: the old guy video.

What does one do with a non-compliant 80 year-old?

What legal authority does a Cop have to require you to return to your vehicle and what offense have you committed if you do not?

If you let the irate old guy roam around out there and he gets run over are you liable?

Does department policy ALLOW you any leeway in how you react to such non-compliance?

I gotta say, listening to the old guy video I didn't hear a Cop gleefully roughing up an old guy, sounded more like a Cop not knowing what else to do but apply force. Maybe he had no options I dunno.

I'll bet if he woulda just stood there with the old guy for five or ten minutes more than 'three seconds' and let him vent, and then patiently explain why he pulled him over things woulda gone different tho.

Birdwatcher

You two should be involved in the space program.

Super bright.
Travis

What would have been proper procedure in that case? Wood did say that it was for his safety. Not trying to be a smart ass, I'd just like to know and not necessarily from you Paul.

Looks like they were pulled over in a parking lot.

IMO, when a cop asks you to get back in the car, you get back in the car.

I spent 20 years in federal LE and some time as a reserve deputy as well. I developed a reputation of being very good at gaining verbal compliance. Here's why. I didn't always expect blind obedience. I was humble enough to accept that my fellow countryman, a freeman, would sometimes want to question authority. In fact I kinda expected it from a fellow American. In many situations (the subject traffic stop included) the tactical situation allows a little soft handing and deescalation. You know, a little Andy Griffith. Consequently, he was my professional role model. If cops aren't willing to entertain a little passive questioning of their authority, they are in the wrong position and out of touch with the patriotic spirit of this country.

There’s not much to see on the Dash-cam footage provided to our newsroom by the McCall Police Department, but the audio is compelling. Below is some of the transcript.

Wood: "Go and have a seat in the car."

Whaley: "What do I look like? A crook?"

Wood: "Sir, I'm telling you to go sit in your car.
I'm not telling you you look like a crook, just go sit down in your car."

Whaley: "I resent your attitude young man."

Wood: "Sir, I'm not giving you any attitude, but I'm not giving you any option.
Go sit down in your car right now."

Whaley: "Yes. You're giving me an option because I didn't do anything wrong."

Wood: "Go to your car right now. Sir, right now. I'm not asking."

Whaley: "I'm 80 years old, and I don't like your attitude."

Wood: "I can arrest you or you can go to your car.
It's up to you right now. You have three seconds to decide."

Whaley: "Okay, arrest me."
Wood: "Okay."

On the video, the incident continues to escalate.

Whaley: "Let go of me! Let go of me!"

Wood: "Sir, sir, I'm not going to let go. I don't want to hurt you. Sir, stop."

Whaley: "Let go of me. Let go of me."

Whaley sued Wood, and the McCall Police Department after the incident, claiming excessive force.

Whaley: "call the EMTs."

Wood: The EMTs is called. You're still resisting. You're telling me you have medical trouble, and yet you can still fight me. Put your hands behind your back.

Whaley: "You young little whippersnappers, who do you think you are? Huh? Who do you think you are?"

Wood: "I'm a police officer, I've given you an order, it’s for my safety and you have to obey it."

Everything I'm hearing about the rancher incident sounds like the cops are at fault, but I've only heard one side. Waiting to hear the cops' side before I throw them under the bus.

I spent 20 years in federal LE and some time as a reserve deputy as well. I developed a reputation of being very good at gaining verbal compliance. Here's why. I didn't always expect blind obedience. I was humble enough to accept that my fellow countryman, a freeman, would sometimes want to question authority. In fact I kinda expected it from a fellow American. In many situations (the subject traffic stop included) the tactical situation allows a little soft handing and deescalation. You know, a little Andy Griffith. Consequently, he was my professional role model. If cops aren't willing to entertain a little passive questioning of their authority, they are in the wrong position and out of touch with the patriotic spirit of this country.

A "real man" believes every account that he reads?

Texan logic?




Travis

I think my position from the beginning is the cop is guilty of murdering Jack Yantis, but I doubt he'll be convicted of anything.

I believe the Deputies restrained Mrs. Yantis, causing her to have a heart attack.

I believe the Sheriff tried to downplay this event in his statement to the news media, inferring that the widow was NOT an eyewitness to the murder of her husband.

Working backward from those two FACTS, it makes the family's account believable.

It strains credibility to imagine a scenario where two armed Deputies felt LEGITIMATELY threatened by a rancher with a bolt action .204 [yeah, I have one] who had the rifle for a legitimate reason.

So, Yeah, it is OUTRAGEOUS on it's face.

What's even more outrageous is the knowledge that the two deputies will likely suffer no harmful consequences for their actions.

[quote=bigwhoop] Zollman said dispatchers had called Yantis after the crash,......

Here lies the problem.