Dealing with ISIS is simple. They claim they are a state. So quit trying to fight them like they are an insurgency. They aren't. They have all the aspects of a nation state within the territory they control. They have schools, courts, public services, licensing bureaus, police, and a military. Simply recognize that and actually declare war on them.
In an actual declared war, the gloves come off. We destroy their forces wherever and whenever they are found. We disrupt their infrastructure and their economies wherever and whenever they are found. We destroy their cities, not for the purpose of killing civilians, but to disrupt their economies and to destroy their wills to fight. We invoke Article 5 of NATO and if Turkey doesn't like it, we remove them from NATO.
We would do all of this if we wanted to actually get rid of ISIS. Obviously, we don't really want to do it because as an actual war, it would be the easiest war we've ever fought.
The debates are useless as a means of gauging policy or even general suitability for the job. They are all going to lie anyway. And even if they aren't consciously lying, they don't say anything to which they can be held. All it is is a beauty contest where the public gets to decide which candidate is "prettiest".
Trump is riding the wave of voter disgust. He stands the best position to win in this country because the disgust cuts across the aisles. Lots and lots of old school Democrats, the relatively few left, are upset at the American Communist party of Obama and Clinton. They'll vote for Trump and honest polling shows this.
Trump is the only guy in a long time, probably since Reagan, who can actually unite the country across party lines. And like Reagan, he is hated by the establishment.
You've had the Bush, Romney's, and the Rockefellers as power brokers in Republican politics since the early 1960s. Not people like them, but those actual families. And there are a ton more with names you might not recognize but who are there as well.
They don't care about you. This is all a game to them. They take turns trying to beat the other players in the game, the Democrats. And like any game, this one is relatively friendly. The players go hard, sometimes they even play dirty, during the game. But after the game, it is all hugs, handshakes, and promises of "We'll get you next time."
Trump is huge right now because he is the one guy who is saying, "Wait a minute, your game is fricking the country." Everyone else, is merely trying to get in on the game.
Cruz, as good as he sounds, is hard to trust. Not because I think he is lying, but because he is too young and not rich enough. If he is elected, even if he serves eight years, he could live another thirty or forty years after being president. He definitely imagines life AFTER being president. He'll be corrupted, any mortal will with the power and the money that will be thrown his way. He'll have a long life to enjoy the perks.
Trump is old enough that when he is honest for himself, there is not much imagining of life beyond office. This will be the crowning achievement of a long life of accomplishment. He needs to impress no one. He needs no favors or riches. He is the one guy in the field who can survive the temptation. That doesn't mean he'll be a good president. But it means he'll be a relatively honest one and that is probably all we can hope for these days.
The debates are useless as a means of gauging policy or even general suitability for the job. They are all going to lie anyway. And even if they aren't consciously lying, they don't say anything to which they can be held. All it is is a beauty contest where the public gets to decide which candidate is "prettiest".
Trump is riding the wave of voter disgust. He stands the best position to win in this country because the disgust cuts across the aisles. Lots and lots of old school Democrats, the relatively few left, are upset at the American Communist party of Obama and Clinton. They'll vote for Trump and honest polling shows this.
Trump is the only guy in a long time, probably since Reagan, who can actually unite the country across party lines. And like Reagan, he is hated by the establishment.
You've had the Bush, Romney's, and the Rockefellers as power brokers in Republican politics since the early 1960s. Not people like them, but those actual families. And there are a ton more with names you might not recognize but who are there as well.
They don't care about you. This is all a game to them. They take turns trying to beat the other players in the game, the Democrats. And like any game, this one is relatively friendly. The players go hard, sometimes they even play dirty, during the game. But after the game, it is all hugs, handshakes, and promises of "We'll get you next time."
Trump is huge right now because he is the one guy who is saying, "Wait a minute, your game is fricking the country." Everyone else, is merely trying to get in on the game.
Cruz, as good as he sounds, is hard to trust. Not because I think he is lying, but because he is too young and not rich enough. If he is elected, even if he serves eight years, he could live another thirty or forty years after being president. He definitely imagines life AFTER being president. He'll be corrupted, any mortal will with the power and the money that will be thrown his way. He'll have a long life to enjoy the perks.
Trump is old enough that when he is honest for himself, there is not much imagining of life beyond office. This will be the crowning achievement of a long life of accomplishment. He needs to impress no one. He needs no favors or riches. He is the one guy in the field who can survive the temptation. That doesn't mean he'll be a good president. But it means he'll be a relatively honest one and that is probably all we can hope for these days.
If you think any old school democrat is voting for Trump then you're sadly mistaken. These good old Dems are the same ass clowns that elected Obama.... twice. Along with all the conservatives who stayed home because they didn't want to vote for Romney the RINO.
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A true friend is someone who reaches for your hand but touches your heart !!!
This was the best Debate so far CNN did a great job, What Trump means by America will be great again = to America will be the world bully again... we all saw what happen to US then, 90% of the world was against us.
The debates are useless as a means of gauging policy or even general suitability for the job. They are all going to lie anyway. And even if they aren't consciously lying, they don't say anything to which they can be held. All it is is a beauty contest where the public gets to decide which candidate is "prettiest".
Trump is riding the wave of voter disgust. He stands the best position to win in this country because the disgust cuts across the aisles. Lots and lots of old school Democrats, the relatively few left, are upset at the American Communist party of Obama and Clinton. They'll vote for Trump and honest polling shows this.
Trump is the only guy in a long time, probably since Reagan, who can actually unite the country across party lines. And like Reagan, he is hated by the establishment.
You've had the Bush, Romney's, and the Rockefellers as power brokers in Republican politics since the early 1960s. Not people like them, but those actual families. And there are a ton more with names you might not recognize but who are there as well.
They don't care about you. This is all a game to them. They take turns trying to beat the other players in the game, the Democrats. And like any game, this one is relatively friendly. The players go hard, sometimes they even play dirty, during the game. But after the game, it is all hugs, handshakes, and promises of "We'll get you next time."
Trump is huge right now because he is the one guy who is saying, "Wait a minute, your game is fricking the country." Everyone else, is merely trying to get in on the game.
Cruz, as good as he sounds, is hard to trust. Not because I think he is lying, but because he is too young and not rich enough. If he is elected, even if he serves eight years, he could live another thirty or forty years after being president. He definitely imagines life AFTER being president. He'll be corrupted, any mortal will with the power and the money that will be thrown his way. He'll have a long life to enjoy the perks.
Trump is old enough that when he is honest for himself, there is not much imagining of life beyond office. This will be the crowning achievement of a long life of accomplishment. He needs to impress no one. He needs no favors or riches. He is the one guy in the field who can survive the temptation. That doesn't mean he'll be a good president. But it means he'll be a relatively honest one and that is probably all we can hope for these days.
If you think any old school democrat is voting for Trump then you're sadly mistaken. These good old Dems are the same ass clowns that elected Obama.... twice. Along with all the conservatives who stayed home because they didn't want to vote for Romney the RINO.
Your thinking is the same kind of thinking that says, "He look there is a game on. I had better watch and see who wins. Maybe we'll pull it out this time."
I keep asking how much money Cruz has gotten from the Kochs, but nobody will answer.
You can start here if you want to find out who gives what to who. As far as I know, the Kochs haven't given anything to any individuals yet this cycle. Like Trump, they pay politicians that can help them, not people they don't think will win, so it's early yet.
(You'll note that Trump has spent less than $2M of his own money so far.)
I keep asking how much money Cruz has gotten from the Kochs, but nobody will answer.
Does it matter? If so, why?
In politics, the entity that finances you, owns you. The Bible says, to paraphrase, the debtor is the servant of the lender. It would matter if Soros had made big contributions. It matters if the Kochs do. I like living in a representative Republic, not an Oligarchy.
I keep asking how much money Cruz has gotten from the Kochs, but nobody will answer.
Does it matter? If so, why?
In politics, the entity that finances you, owns you. The Bible says, to paraphrase, the debtor is the servant of the lender. It would matter if Soros had made big contributions. It matters if the Kochs do. I like living in a representative Republic, not an Oligarchy.
The U.S. hasn't been a representative Republic in the lifetimes of anyone on this forum, nor in the lifetimes of their parents (or likely even grandparents).
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
They're all a bunch of liars. See the chart, notice that all Republicans told more lies than any Democrat. As I've said before, Trump is an egomaniacal loser, and Carson is just plain nuts. Pants on fire, they are:
They're all a bunch of liars. See the chart, notice that all Republicans told more lies than any Democrat. As I've said before, Trump is an egomaniacal loser, and Carson is just plain nuts. Pants on fire, they are:
Says the advocate for the most corrupt female (and proven liar) in the history of US politics. What a talent for ignoring facts!
I don't hand out accolades easily,but I'll make an exception in your case.
You are so warped, I think you are damaged goods LOL! You need a shrink. Know any?
Did you look at the chart, dipsh*t? Talk about ignoring facts, but that's easy to do when your head's up your ass, right?
Originally Posted by 4ager
You're only here because in your home state you're viewed as a socialist fool and disregarded out of hand. You're ignored there and politically ridiculed. You're powerless there; emasculated (in many ways), and trolling here is the only thing you can do in order to feel like you've accomplished anything at all toward your socialist utopia.
Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
Dealing with ISIS is simple. They claim they are a state. So quit trying to fight them like they are an insurgency. They aren't. They have all the aspects of a nation state within the territory they control. They have schools, courts, public services, licensing bureaus, police, and a military. Simply recognize that and actually declare war on them.
In an actual declared war, the gloves come off. We destroy their forces wherever and whenever they are found. We disrupt their infrastructure and their economies wherever and whenever they are found. We destroy their cities, not for the purpose of killing civilians, but to disrupt their economies and to destroy their wills to fight. We invoke Article 5 of NATO and if Turkey doesn't like it, we remove them from NATO.
We would do all of this if we wanted to actually get rid of ISIS. Obviously, we don't really want to do it because as an actual war, it would be the easiest war we've ever fought.
You still don't get it??? We've been supplying the "rebels" with arms & intelligence...
Who do you think these "rebels" are?
The "rebels" ARE ISIS...
We instigated & facilitated the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya by "freedom loving rebels"....guess what those "rebels" became... Yep...ISIS
Now we've got "freedom loving rebels" trying to overthrow Assad... Are you connecting the dots yet?
Our govt. is by & large responsible and has facilitated the current cluster fugg in the mideast...
I keep asking how much money Cruz has gotten from the Kochs, but nobody will answer.
Kosh says they will spend about $300 million directly on the 2016 race, out of the record promised $900 million. Seems as most of that has yet to be spent. As of this summer filings; for Cruz it wasn't the Kosh brothers, it was the Wilks brothers.
7/27/15 Washington (CNN)Two low-profile Texas brothers have donated $15 million to support Sen. Ted Cruz, a record-setting contribution that amounts to the largest known donation so far in the 2016 presidential campaign. Farris and Dan Wilks, billionaires who made their fortunes in the West Texas fracking boom, have given $15 million of the $38 million that the pro-Cruz super PAC, Keep the Promise...
...Keep the Promise is technically four separate committees that give three families more control over their own super PAC. Most of the attention has focused on Robert Mercer, a New York hedge fund magnate who gave the second-most money to conservative groups in 2014 than any other Republican donor. Mercer has given $11 million of the $38 million raised, according to a leader of the super PACs. Another $10 million comes from Toby Neugebauer, a Houston investor and a personal friend of Cruz's.
Together, their donations give Cruz and his allies more money than any other Republican except Jeb Bush...
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“In Trump We Trust.” Right????
SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
The debates are useless as a means of gauging policy or even general suitability for the job. They are all going to lie anyway. And even if they aren't consciously lying, they don't say anything to which they can be held. All it is is a beauty contest where the public gets to decide which candidate is "prettiest".
Trump is riding the wave of voter disgust. He stands the best position to win in this country because the disgust cuts across the aisles. Lots and lots of old school Democrats, the relatively few left, are upset at the American Communist party of Obama and Clinton. They'll vote for Trump and honest polling shows this.
Trump is the only guy in a long time, probably since Reagan, who can actually unite the country across party lines. And like Reagan, he is hated by the establishment.
You've had the Bush, Romney's, and the Rockefellers as power brokers in Republican politics since the early 1960s. Not people like them, but those actual families. And there are a ton more with names you might not recognize but who are there as well.
They don't care about you. This is all a game to them. They take turns trying to beat the other players in the game, the Democrats. And like any game, this one is relatively friendly. The players go hard, sometimes they even play dirty, during the game. But after the game, it is all hugs, handshakes, and promises of "We'll get you next time."
Trump is huge right now because he is the one guy who is saying, "Wait a minute, your game is fricking the country." Everyone else, is merely trying to get in on the game.
Cruz, as good as he sounds, is hard to trust. Not because I think he is lying, but because he is too young and not rich enough. If he is elected, even if he serves eight years, he could live another thirty or forty years after being president. He definitely imagines life AFTER being president. He'll be corrupted, any mortal will with the power and the money that will be thrown his way. He'll have a long life to enjoy the perks.
Trump is old enough that when he is honest for himself, there is not much imagining of life beyond office. This will be the crowning achievement of a long life of accomplishment. He needs to impress no one. He needs no favors or riches. He is the one guy in the field who can survive the temptation. That doesn't mean he'll be a good president. But it means he'll be a relatively honest one and that is probably all we can hope for these days.
If you think any old school democrat is voting for Trump then you're sadly mistaken. These good old Dems are the same ass clowns that elected Obama.... twice. Along with all the conservatives who stayed home because they didn't want to vote for Romney the RINO.
Your thinking is the same kind of thinking that says, "He look there is a game on. I had better watch and see who wins. Maybe we'll pull it out this time."
Now that line takes a special kind of stupid right there.
A true friend is someone who reaches for your hand but touches your heart !!!
I keep asking how much money Cruz has gotten from the Kochs, but nobody will answer.
You can start here if you want to find out who gives what to who. As far as I know, the Kochs haven't given anything to any individuals yet this cycle. Like Trump, they pay politicians that can help them, not people they don't think will win, so it's early yet.
(You'll note that Trump has spent less than $2M of his own money so far.)
I couldn't tell much from your link Pat. It looks to me like it would take a lot of research into those groups to find out who finances them. The Koch's have a bunch of different groups they've created. IMO they are worthless. I have many libertarian leanings myself even though I'm not a member of the Libertarian Party, but calling the Koch's Libertarians or much of anything is a misnomer. They are totally out for themselves. I found this and Cruz just went up a bunch in my estimation:
I keep asking how much money Cruz has gotten from the Kochs, but nobody will answer.
Kosh says they will spend about $300 million directly on the 2016 race, out of the record promised $900 million. Seems as most of that has yet to be spent. As of this summer filings; for Cruz it wasn't the Kosh brothers, it was the Wilks brothers.
7/27/15 Washington (CNN)Two low-profile Texas brothers have donated $15 million to support Sen. Ted Cruz, a record-setting contribution that amounts to the largest known donation so far in the 2016 presidential campaign. Farris and Dan Wilks, billionaires who made their fortunes in the West Texas fracking boom, have given $15 million of the $38 million that the pro-Cruz super PAC, Keep the Promise...
...Keep the Promise is technically four separate committees that give three families more control over their own super PAC. Most of the attention has focused on Robert Mercer, a New York hedge fund magnate who gave the second-most money to conservative groups in 2014 than any other Republican donor. Mercer has given $11 million of the $38 million raised, according to a leader of the super PACs. Another $10 million comes from Toby Neugebauer, a Houston investor and a personal friend of Cruz's.
Together, their donations give Cruz and his allies more money than any other Republican except Jeb Bush...
I'm aware of the $15mil the Wilks' gave Cruz. I don't know enough about them to comment much but I don't like it when my house shakes.
