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The .22x centerfire rifles are too weak for big game and not even legal let alone common sense because of that.
I know of a youth who was given one for his only CF rifle and he shot a buck in the neck and the buck died.
Then he shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds and it ran off and they never found it.
Get a 243. No question about it.
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(dont want the farmers feeling like they are in the Anbar province). Then they'd start growing opium poppy... I've shot deer with rifles from .243 to .45-70, and I can't tell a difference in the reaction. They run about the same distance if lung-shot, and fall if you break running gear. We are not allowed to use a .223. They just let us start hunting on Sunday. And, You cannot carry concealed here, anymore. That's all the hints on VA gov.'s apparent intelligence. Blood trails are another thing, the bigger calibers doing better but the difference between a .223 and .243 are going to be negligible there, too. For reference, there are counties that used to allow .22 centerfires. That will be debated again and likely returned now that bear is a separate tag. Also, I have no idea WTF you're smoking on CCW, but VA is still very much a concealed carry legal state, and OC legal as well.
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The .22x centerfire rifles are too weak for big game and not even legal let alone common sense because of that.
I know of a youth who was given one for his only CF rifle and he shot a buck in the neck and the buck died.
Then he shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds and it ran off and they never found it.
Get a 243. No question about it. Re: Varmint bullets on deer. [Re: moosemike] Savage_99 Offline Campfire 'Bwana Registered: 09/01/03 Posts: 13847 If a 222 was enough you would not have to ask! When I was a kid in 1953 I shot my first deer with my 222 I loaded with the 55 gr Sierra. It hit the buck in the neck and broke his spine at about 175 yds.
Later that week I shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds with that 222 and it ran off. We never found it.Interesting.
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The .22x centerfire rifles are too weak for big game and not even legal let alone common sense because of that.
I know of a youth who was given one for his only CF rifle and he shot a buck in the neck and the buck died.
Then he shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds and it ran off and they never found it.
Get a 243. No question about it. We hear this exact same story every time a comparison of two cartridges is asked for. My bet is this young Hunter pulled the shot and it was either too far back, or he missed all together. That's why the buck was never recovered, because there isn't a deer going to survive deflated lungs. With the right bullets the .223 can punch through shoulders to get to the vitals. With the 55 grain TSX my daughter killed her second doe with a hard quartering towards her shot. I told her to aim for the point of the shoulder and shoot when ready, we found the bullet under the skin near the last rib. If you're unable to kill deer with a .223 out to 200 yds +/-, well it's the Indian not the arrow.
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(dont want the farmers feeling like they are in the Anbar province). Then they'd start growing opium poppy... I've shot deer with rifles from .243 to .45-70, and I can't tell a difference in the reaction. They run about the same distance if lung-shot, and fall if you break running gear. We are not allowed to use a .223. They just let us start hunting on Sunday. And, You cannot carry concealed here, anymore. That's all the hints on VA gov.'s apparent intelligence. Blood trails are another thing, the bigger calibers doing better but the difference between a .223 and .243 are going to be negligible there, too. For reference, there are counties that used to allow .22 centerfires. That will be debated again and likely returned now that bear is a separate tag. Also, I have no idea WTF you're smoking on CCW, but VA is still very much a concealed carry legal state, and OC legal as well. Just heard on the radio the VA Govener just ended reciprocity. Which stops out of state CCW permit holders to legally carry in VA. Kind of a dick move, but VA CCW permit holders can still carry.
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The .22x centerfire rifles are too weak for big game and not even legal let alone common sense because of that.
I know of a youth who was given one for his only CF rifle and he shot a buck in the neck and the buck died.
Then he shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds and it ran off and they never found it.
Get a 243. No question about it. ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/24HRC/stupid9_zpstukslyix.png)
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The .22x centerfire rifles are too weak for big game and not even legal let alone common sense because of that.
I know of a youth who was given one for his only CF rifle and he shot a buck in the neck and the buck died.
Then he shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds and it ran off and they never found it.
Get a 243. No question about it. Re: Varmint bullets on deer. [Re: moosemike] Savage_99 Offline Campfire 'Bwana Registered: 09/01/03 Posts: 13847 If a 222 was enough you would not have to ask! When I was a kid in 1953 I shot my first deer with my 222 I loaded with the 55 gr Sierra. It hit the buck in the neck and broke his spine at about 175 yds.
Later that week I shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds with that 222 and it ran off. We never found it.Interesting. Seems the "youth" in question now relates that story in the third person, removed from the first person. From participant to bystander. Oh, the trauma of youth and those lasting scars...  How they torture the soul...  If only he had been a better shot...  DF
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(dont want the farmers feeling like they are in the Anbar province). Then they'd start growing opium poppy... I've shot deer with rifles from .243 to .45-70, and I can't tell a difference in the reaction. They run about the same distance if lung-shot, and fall if you break running gear. We are not allowed to use a .223. They just let us start hunting on Sunday. And, You cannot carry concealed here, anymore. That's all the hints on VA gov.'s apparent intelligence. Blood trails are another thing, the bigger calibers doing better but the difference between a .223 and .243 are going to be negligible there, too. For reference, there are counties that used to allow .22 centerfires. That will be debated again and likely returned now that bear is a separate tag. Also, I have no idea WTF you're smoking on CCW, but VA is still very much a concealed carry legal state, and OC legal as well. Just heard on the radio the VA Govener just ended reciprocity. Which stops out of state CCW permit holders to legally carry in VA. Kind of a dick move, but VA CCW permit holders can still carry. Threads on this in the Campfire section. Your radio reports are incorrect, and Hell, CO permits weren't reciprocal because CO wouldn't honor VA permits (and many others), anyway.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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The .22x centerfire rifles are too weak for big game and not even legal let alone common sense because of that.
I know of a youth who was given one for his only CF rifle and he shot a buck in the neck and the buck died.
Then he shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds and it ran off and they never found it.
Get a 243. No question about it. Re: Varmint bullets on deer. [Re: moosemike] Savage_99 Offline Campfire 'Bwana Registered: 09/01/03 Posts: 13847 If a 222 was enough you would not have to ask! When I was a kid in 1953 I shot my first deer with my 222 I loaded with the 55 gr Sierra. It hit the buck in the neck and broke his spine at about 175 yds.
Later that week I shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds with that 222 and it ran off. We never found it.Interesting. Seems the "youth" in question now relates that story in the third person, removed from the first person. From participant to bystander. Oh, the trauma of youth and those lasting scars... How they torture the soul... If only he had been a better shot... DF Assuming that DumbassDon was truthful in the first place, those may have been the last two deer he ever shot (at). Funny, as he often talks about deer hunting in VT, and the .22Magnum is legal for deer there. It's the most popular "youth" cartridge for deer, too, followed by the .223 and .22Hornet.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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The .22x centerfire rifles are too weak for big game and not even legal let alone common sense because of that.
I know of a youth who was given one for his only CF rifle and he shot a buck in the neck and the buck died.
Then he shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds and it ran off and they never found it.
Get a 243. No question about it. Re: Varmint bullets on deer. [Re: moosemike] Savage_99 Offline Campfire 'Bwana Registered: 09/01/03 Posts: 13847 If a 222 was enough you would not have to ask! When I was a kid in 1953 I shot my first deer with my 222 I loaded with the 55 gr Sierra. It hit the buck in the neck and broke his spine at about 175 yds.
Later that week I shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds with that 222 and it ran off. We never found it.Interesting. Seems the "youth" in question now relates that story in the third person, removed from the first person. From participant to bystander. Oh, the trauma of youth and those lasting scars... How they torture the soul... If only he had been a better shot... DF Could explain a lot about him.
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The .22x centerfire rifles are too weak for big game and not even legal let alone common sense because of that.
I know of a youth who was given one for his only CF rifle and he shot a buck in the neck and the buck died.
Then he shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds and it ran off and they never found it.
Get a 243. No question about it. Re: Varmint bullets on deer. [Re: moosemike] Savage_99 Offline Campfire 'Bwana Registered: 09/01/03 Posts: 13847 If a 222 was enough you would not have to ask! When I was a kid in 1953 I shot my first deer with my 222 I loaded with the 55 gr Sierra. It hit the buck in the neck and broke his spine at about 175 yds.
Later that week I shot another buck in the ribs at about 50 yds with that 222 and it ran off. We never found it.Interesting. Seems the "youth" in question now relates that story in the third person, removed from the first person. From participant to bystander. Oh, the trauma of youth and those lasting scars... How they torture the soul... If only he had been a better shot... DF Assuming that DumbassDon was truthful in the first place, those may have been the last two deer he ever shot (at). Funny, as he often talks about deer hunting in VT, and the .22Magnum is legal for deer there. It's the most popular "youth" cartridge for deer, too, followed by the .223 and .22Hornet. Don't confuse him with facts. Besides I think he is stuck in the 1950's.
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I love the "not even legal because of it" bit, while he touts hunting in VT. Check the VT regs; obviously DumbassDon has not.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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" Legal Firearms: 12, 16, or 20 gauge breech loading shotgun loaded with single soft alloy projectile ammunition. Rifled or smoothbore barrels allowed. Centerfire rifle 6mm (.243 caliber) or larger or revolver .357 caliber or larger may be used if the landholding is 10 or more acres and the landowner has authorized use on the consent form." Ct state hunting laws
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" Legal Firearms: 12, 16, or 20 gauge breech loading shotgun loaded with single soft alloy projectile ammunition. Rifled or smoothbore barrels allowed. Centerfire rifle 6mm (.243 caliber) or larger or revolver .357 caliber or larger may be used if the landholding is 10 or more acres and the landowner has authorized use on the consent form. Ct state hunting laws Since when do CT hunting laws apply to VT?
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(dont want the farmers feeling like they are in the Anbar province). Then they'd start growing opium poppy... I've shot deer with rifles from .243 to .45-70, and I can't tell a difference in the reaction. They run about the same distance if lung-shot, and fall if you break running gear. We are not allowed to use a .223. They just let us start hunting on Sunday. And, You cannot carry concealed here, anymore. That's all the hints on VA gov.'s apparent intelligence. Blood trails are another thing, the bigger calibers doing better but the difference between a .223 and .243 are going to be negligible there, too. For reference, there are counties that used to allow .22 centerfires. That will be debated again and likely returned now that bear is a separate tag. Also, I have no idea WTF you're smoking on CCW, but VA is still very much a concealed carry legal state, and OC legal as well. WTF I'm smoking is nothing. I was speaking to TomM1, from Pennsylvania, who's state's reciprocity was revoked. I am very much aware of my rights/privileges as a resident of this state and that I can continue carrying concealed, but *he* (TomM1) would no longer be allowed to do so. Nor do I believe I can go to his state and carry concealed. It is still not legal to use a .223 in counties "that used to allow" .22 centerfires, so no smoke in that statement, either. It was a sarcastic comment on how our (my?) state's government thinks sometimes.
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Advanced senility is a sad situation.
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Think you guys have me sold on the .223, with three up and coming hunters, it will get used. As they mature, I'll move them into more age appropriate calibers (swede, creedmore, etc.) The cost of a dedicated rifle is cheap when considering how precious the time can be. Thanks all. I got one for my kids and I fell in love with it! It's a Ruger American compact. It lays em right in there and it's fun to shoot.
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As to report I find that if local residents are going to complain about a .243s report they will be just as upset by a .223.
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