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JHC! Who gives a flying phuuck if he did or didn't ...or if his dick hit the moon or the back of your throat
A guy asks if the glass on a scope is good and people are debating sniper wares and camp Perry shoots...what's next who would win in a quick draw competition standing backwards sighting with a mirror?
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It's not about interpreting anything. Burns has the opportunity to advance the art of shooting(long range or otherwise)by passing along useful information, which is the whole point of the forums. But instead he chooses to go full rooster mode and drags perfectly good threads into the garbage pit.
You tell me that it's not about interpreting anything...then you post your assessment, or interpretation, of JB's posts. WOW! I hope you get the information that you seek. Both Formidilosus and John Burns can give you very good information if you ask for it. Both will be very helpful. Both shoot way beyond my skill level, so I ask questions.
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JHC! Who gives a flying phuuck if he did or didn't ...or if his dick hit the moon or the back of your throat
Just for clarification, this would in fact cause me to give a flying fugk. To each his own. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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The economics of that decision also include a sales/marketing component, and giving people what they want. People used to want an awesome warranty. That paradigm is starting to shift, and replacing crap that breaks is no longer good enough. The market is starting to demand scopes that just don't break, now that they see the Internet chatter about NF, SWFA, and the Bushnell Tactical line, and they realize that such a product is realistic to manufacture and offer at a reasonable price.
Ok Jordan, if you are very confident in what you say......what are Leupold's annual sales figures for the past 10 years. Are they on the decline, like you would suggest? Please kindly point out where I said anything about Leupold, anything about their sales figures, or anything about the last 10 years. I was speaking in generalities not from the perspective of the scope maker, but the consumer, based on several forums I frequent. Scope makers tend to respond to the desires of the market, but there is lag time involved. There have been various trends over the past several decades in what the scope market wants, and scope makers have subsequently chased those trends- variable power scopes, maximum brightness, lightweight, wide magnification range, BDC reticles and turrets, lifetime no-fault warranty and fast service, target turrets, MOA/MOA and Mil/Mil, and now, durability and reliability.
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He hit it 3 out of 3 times at 1760 yards, with a cross wind that was blowing (I may have this wrong).... Yes, you do. Then post the correct information. It's already been posted, and it's old information.
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No where did Formid. claim that serving mil personnel were swapping SWFA scopes for work related equip.
A group of some of the best shooters in the military that can quite literally use whatever scope that they want are using personally purchased SS 1-6x scopes because they stay zeroed... Guessin is so silly. Might want to actually read the posts in the thread and not come off like a retard. Just sayin.  That quote didn't specify that those personally-purchased scopes are going on their service rifles...
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Wow! I waded through all these pages of bickering, trying to gleen which SS, etc to maybe top a LR play rig. While I don't know any of you from Adam's housecat, now we've got someone requesting photos and personal information, along with equipment details directly related to TTPs, of probable special operations personnel, on an open internet forum. So, instead of worrying about a scope, I'm head-scratching over if this JB cat's comments need forwarding to an SSO, as a potential eliciting attempt?   Anyhow, it'd be nice to get info w/o having to be subjected to the constant pecker measuring, like its a gay stripper bar up in here. FWIW, I'm not sure what replaced them, but I know all of the last batch of NF5-25x56 got sent back to drmo, from at least one entire SF group. There's also a HUGE mix of optics in use at that level AND commander's exceptions to policy for damned near anything a team guy feels he needs for mission. I've had great success with the straight 6X with milquad and mil turrets. Well over 1,000 rounds at this point on my .308. Can't find anything wrong with it. Travis Thanks for that. Seems a cost effective way to add some good tracking, mil/mil glass.
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so looking at the original question: I need to see if Mule Deer has done a review of the optics here..
For those who don't know about them, they are a Tasco made scope that SWFA has a sole source contract with.. And they track well, but are much lower priced than companies tracking scopes... So the question is how's the optical quality vs. say a Leupold VX3 In all the many threads bickering about scopes on the Campfire, the best comment I have read is, "...a scope is an aiming device..." I'll add my own comment, it's not a camera lens, where ultimate image quality is valuable. Sharpness, brightness may add to the pleasure of the experience, but ultimately it's gotta let you hit where you want.
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So it's settled then.
SS scopes are good to go.
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Almost as good as VX-2/3 was an ok answer for me.
I knew most of the rest.
Someone pointed out the fixed power SS are still cost low, and probably worth it if you spin.. Why I say if you spin? Leupolds have resale because they fix'em if they go bad so people value them highly... For good reason - low to no risk there at all...
I guess some of us don't calibrate costs as much as others, then again I don't put turrets on 22's... So I'm more of a practical shooter I guess.
I still like my Leupold CDS, I'll probably try a Nightforce ATACR, and maybe a SS this year...
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if they were equal $$, SS6X or a loopy 6X FX3lr
for a tikka 260
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if they were equal $$, SS6X or a loopy 6X FX3lr
for a tikka 260 Is this a question? Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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For my crude use I would take the FX3 6x42LR(or 6x36LR).
I don't shoot past 400-500 yards and prefer a scope that is smaller than the rifle.
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I will never not love the 6X42 with LR reticle.
It covers almost everything in my opinion.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Tough too beat for a simple and effective big game hunting scope.
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Those that know the game would never request those IN the game to violate opsec/persec as you've asked. Rock on Fan Boi. OPSEC, really?? The idea that some body is replacing open source optics with dog schit hardly constitutes a violation of OPSEC. Not what I'm saying - you specifically asked for 1 picture 2 who the person is 3 date of picture 4 unit (don't know how you mean this - unit of scope or .mil unit person is member of - if the latter you really are oblivious) Post a picture of an issue optic being replaced with a SWFA. As you seem to think modifying issue weapons is no big deal give us the unit, date of picture, who was issued the weapon. If you don't see how stating "SFC Snuffy Smith changed out the optic on his issued sniper rifle here - November 7, 2004" wouldn't be a violation of OPSEC - I don't know what to say. Then again - I've spent several thousand hours in a SCIF and am a little more used to making sure people don't put things out there that can identify them as partaking in a particular mission, location, date and time and with what equipment.
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As I've come to expect from the fire, after 20 or so replies to any given topic...the rest is ego.
There are three to five posts here that directly answer your question...if you feel like shoveling through the manuer.
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Tough too beat for a simple and effective big game hunting scope. They're UBE. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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folks seem to like the loopy
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I had the fixed 6 vx3 along side the fixed 6 super chicken in night conditions and cannot tell a difference in optical quality. The super chicken is a lot of scope for $300
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