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Point is that it isn't even in the realm of mountain rifle, so 5oz doesn't matter. It will never see a hunt where 5 oz will mean anything.

I'd be pissed if a 6lb rifle came in at 6lbs 5oz, because that's a rifle where oz matter. You don't count oz with a MRC.

Sorry to be rude. I personally don't find it weight a problem but understand not everyone feels the same. Hopefully you find what you need.

Mk

Yep very serious, it wound up snowing and being about 28 degrees with wind chill. That doesn't feel very good on my leg only being 2.5 weeks since my last surgery. However, my daughter loves driving my F250 out the back of the property and catching the dirt road along the irrigation canal about 4 miles to the local rifle range.

We pulled up one day getting her ready for deer season and the local sheriff's department was out shooting on the pistol range. She was worried that she was going to be in trouble and I told her act like she owned it. Anyway they never paid us any attention, so that's where dodging the law came in. It also helps she's 5' 9" tall and looks a lot older.

Ever hunted at 10k feet plus?

every ounce counts

My daughter isn't ready for a mountain rifle, she doesn't tolerate recoil well. I wanted an 8-8.5lbs rifle all up in a cartridge she could be comfortable shooting. I probably should have just ordered a barrel and built on a M700 action as originally planned, but I chose this thinking I could come in a little under 8.5 lbs for less money than a full blown custom. Hindsight as they say is 20/20, learned my lesson on this one for sure.

I guess they have some serious regrouping to do if there is any hope of a successful run #3. Around the campfire, word spreads like...........fire.

I'm still not understanding why you are so surprised over the weight and feel you are overreacting a bit. The 260 group buy was 7 pounds or in my case 7 pounds 2 ounces. It is fluted and has a slightly larger bore. Your rifle came in 5 or 6 ounces more so it seems in the realm of reality. I agree, the MRC website needs to be updated and is misleading but the actual weight of the x2 rifles has been talked about quite a bit here.

I hope it works out for you and your daughter. Good luck.

I thought the first group buy used a heavier contour barrel a #3 for fluting. Darrik cleared that up on the phone today when I talked to him. I guess I didn't ask enough questions, and maybe I look like an ass for bitching about a nearly ¾ pound difference from advertised to actual weight. However at this point I'd be overjoyed with a 7lbs rifle.

If I were the LEO pulling you over and you told me that story, I'd have laughed and escorted you to the range. Of course, most of my ex bosses didn't share my humanity. Screw them though. I have two daughters and that story, believe it or not, actually touched me. Love to see fathers and daughters sharing a common love........good for you sir !!!!!!

Taylor -

I understand and agree w/you.

11 oz = nearly 3/4 #, not just 4 or 5 ozs.

I use a backpack hunting and normally it weighs 12 Lbs. I have no problem carrying it on the body.
OTOH there ain't NO way I'm going to carry a 12 lb rifle hunting.

Weight in hands is much different than on the body.

BTW I do appreciate SAS's attitude and yours TOO about not allowing him to eat a company's mistake.


Jerry

So all this is about the ideal weight for your daughter and I totally get that. All these guys saying ounces matter are talkin about light rifles. This isn't a mountain rifle and wasn't supposed to be. Light enough for your daughter yet heavy enough for recoil is a fine line you've made up the weight on. In this case it doesn't matter. You're not wanting real light or very heavy...guess what you have it. I'm with Calvin on this and would be pissed if a light rifle came in over weight this much but no one expected these to be light rifles.

I can't believe all the drama over this when you clearly state you didn't want it real light but not too heavy. Maybe it's about attn?

Great on SAS for the above and beyond customer service he offered. I can only imagine what he has to deal with with guys like this.

Also the shank length would bother me more than a mid weight sporter coming in half a pound over weight.

sounds to me like the overall weight is a significant problem, one that will weigh on your mind even when you aren't using the rifle. you might consider selling or trading it and getting something lighter, or just give it to your child and buy something else for yourself. no shame is moving something down the road if it isn't exactly what you want. life is too short.

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the rifle stock design changed over the last year from using a 3 lb foam and Fiberglass to using a 6 lb foam mixed with Glass strands and Carbon fiber with Kevlar reinforcements.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, that sure as heck sounds like they switched from a laid-glass stock (like a Kimber MT) to a chopped glass stock (like a Bell and Carlson). That would certainly account for the weight discrepancy...

First of all I wanted an 8lbs all up rifle for my daughter. I also stated by using the weight off of MRC's website as well as what was listed in the 2nd buy thread I'd be sacrificing an extra .5lb of weight for at least a $500 savings. What I got was a rifle a full pound heavier than I originally wanted for my daughter, and that is what I have an issue with. I ask where would you draw the line on a compromise from what you originally wanted?

You're right, I probably should have done more research and paid more attention to some details. I've made worse mistakes than buying a rifle that didn't turn out as expected. However, next time if I want an 8lb rifle that is what I'll get.

Now as far as your "guys like this" comment. I never said that this was a SAS problem, nor have I ever asked SAS to fix my problem. SAS offered to refund my money in full, to which I was great fun but I politely refused. I refused because if he did this for me he'd have to do it for everyone involved in this group buy. That is not fair to SAS or his business, because this is solely an MRC issue. So I ask you in what way was I an issue for him to deal with?

Marketing a 10k towing capacity and receiving a truck with 8k is a big deal.

Point is buying a rifle you can't shoot or even handle for that matter is a cross your fingers proposition. You have a parts list that you like and a weight in mind. The aforementioned gun is a little heavier than you want but parts are there.

Before you even get to shoot it you find the one thing you gave a bit on to go factory is way off the wrong way. Problem.

The barreled action weight is a given within 2 oz. Specs for length and contour give you weight. Anyone can do this in a few minutes. So you change fill in stock changing the weight of every gun you produce and you can't open a page and change weight of gun on your website? Because it's the only single thing anyone would want to know that's been changed?

So your bitchin' 7mag shows up with a 12t barrel and VP tells you to shoot smaller bullets. They had a problem with the 9t barrels so they just switched to 12t. Then suggests a custom barrel if you want a 9. Have a nice day.

Sure. Betting they had to least 10 more minutes in finding proper fill formula for stocks than they would have had in updating Web page with "Upgrading stock materials. Weights may vary and will be updated soon." Again. After parts list it's THE number.

Glad to see a positive direction for a fix. Looks like they are listening. Curious to see how any other bumps get ironed out.

Cheers

This entire thread is a disaster.

A manufacturer, that has gone out of his way to produce something out their normal spec for us, is being thrown under the bus.

The OP didn't ask MRC to correct any issues in the first email. He even complemented the workmanship of the rifle towards the end of the email. Regardless of the weight issue, a standard MRC will never be a light rifle - nor will a Winchester or a Ruger.

My dealings with Jeff have been excellent. He's gone out of his way to accommodate my whims -- many of which are requests from members here. I've found the customer service at MRC to be top notch.

Try getting Kimber, Ruger, Remington or Winchester to do something that deviates from their standard product offerings. It's like talking to a brick wall. I say this in humor, but those four appear to be in a race to see who can screw up a good thing the fastest!

The bottom line -- MRC has never denied a request from me. They've actually gone out of their way to make it work. Emails aren't personal and I consider them to be confidential at the business level. Pick up the phone and call. I've no doubt this would have been resolved in the first phone conversation with Jeff.

After reading through this thread, as well as hearing about the Forbes Rifle debacle, seems like it may be best to stay far away from these boutique gun makers until they've had a few years to iron out their products....or perhaps stay away from them altogether.

The 260's came in heavy, not suprised at the weight of the 243, wish I had something that met your specs as I would swap with you

Shout out to SAS, this is how to build a lasting customer base

Billy,

They make an excellent rifle. This is nothing like the Forbes debacle.