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Originally Posted by jwp475
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Never had anything walk away from a Barnes....


Neither have I.


Nor I.


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E-Tips have worked as well as TTSX for me. I'm shooting 120's out of my 26 Nos at 3,450 fps. Both are nearly half MOA at 400 yds., both have killed stuff with impressive results and considerable tissue damage. I'd use either one without preference, have not tried the GMX.

So, I guess it depends on what the gun likes.

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Originally Posted by 4ager
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Never had anything walk away from a Barnes....


Neither have I.


Nor I.


I haven't either. That said, e-tips have better BC's, expand just as well and penetrate about the same, and most importantly, IME, have much better wound channels.

We live in a golden age of bullets for sure.


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For sure on bullet selection.

It's the best I've seen in over 50 years of reloading and shooting. Quality has never been better.

IMO,

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JB told me to try etips again... I may have very first bullets... may be a bit of an issue.

I don't want any wound channels larger than what barnes gives me though, so that may keep me from trying the etips again. Everytime I shoot a berger, I have more bloodshot than I want, but I usually use em for head shots mostly.

Regardless as mentioned, its hard to think that bullets could get any better. COmpared to the old days.

Of course last night at about 50 yards I plunked an old school 240 grain SMK through a 300 pound boars shield and likely his heart or top of... from 300/221, suppressed, and he only made 40 yards or so...evidently it worked. LOL


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You don't get Berger wound channels with Etips.


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Nope, but still pretty impressive.

Here's a hog hit with a 120 gr. E-Tip. Tore quite a hole.

DRT, of course.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Nope, but still pretty impressive.

Here's a hog hit with a 120 gr. E-Tip. Tore quite a hole.

DRT, of course.

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I'm pretty sure your "excessive" wound channel is a result of the 3400 fps velocity. The OP will be shooting more like 2700-2800. BIG difference. With that being said, I think all copper bullets perform best when you run them above 3000, and the faster the better. I typically don't worry about a little meat loss. As for the original question, I've shot several does with 120 gr ttsx from a 7-08 with an estimated impact velocity of 2050-2100 fps and they seemed to perform fine. No recovered bullets to verify expansion, but the deer didn't make it more than 20 yds, so I'd say they were successful.

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Yours are going pretty speedy too, ehh? grin...


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laugh

Speed kills, as they say.

To answer your question, maybe.

At 150 yds. it may have slowed down a bit, maybe 3,300 fps... grin

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Originally Posted by GregW
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Originally Posted by rost495


Never had anything walk away from a Barnes....


Neither have I.


Nor I.


I haven't either. That said, e-tips have better BC's, expand just as well and penetrate about the same, and most importantly, IME, have much better wound channels.

We live in a golden age of bullets for sure.



I've shot the Barnes side by side with AccuBonds and used the same BC and drop settings put to 1000 meters



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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Nope, but still pretty impressive.

Here's a hog hit with a 120 gr. E-Tip. Tore quite a hole.

DRT, of course.

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Yep, thats the stuff I"m trying to avoid, all the jelly....

Buddys dad shot a tom turkey the other day with a ttsx.... 270 and 95 ttsx.. just below the wing butt. I expected the speed to have an issue... nope, quarter size hole, wasted just a bit of the top of the breast. Very dead.

Just enough, not to much killing.

but the least amount of damage has been amazingly to many, from my 50 bmg... punches a hole in a deer, thats it.


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Not a TTSX, but a 185 GMX. Shot an elk at 700. Impact velocity was probably 1850. Vitals were soup. Bull dropped. 3/4" exit. I'd expect a TTSX to be even better.

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Originally Posted by bloodworks
Not a TTSX, but a 185 GMX. Shot an elk at 700. Impact velocity was probably 1850. Vitals were soup. Bull dropped. 3/4" exit. I'd expect a TTSX to be even better.

Maybe, maybe not.

GMX is pretty good.

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Originally Posted by bloodworks
Not a TTSX, but a 185 GMX. Shot an elk at 700. Impact velocity was probably 1850. Vitals were soup. Bull dropped. 3/4" exit. I'd expect a TTSX to be even better.


DRT, vitals as soup, 3/4" exit... and you expect "better"? WTF is "better" than that?


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Perfect timing.

Couldn't give me another TSX or TTSX, I've had failures on game...yes...bona fide failures.

Can you suggest load data for ETIP? Have Nosler manual but looking for real life '06 data, 150 gr & 168 gr.

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Couldn't give me another TSX or TTSX, I've had failures on game...yes...bona fide failures.


Define failure please. Are you talking like failure to penetrate? Not opening up? Not killing after a good shot? what?


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Mine shot those awesome with H414. That will easily break 3000.


I believe H414 IS W760.


Yep, it is.


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Originally Posted by 4ager
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Not a TTSX, but a 185 GMX. Shot an elk at 700. Impact velocity was probably 1850. Vitals were soup. Bull dropped. 3/4" exit. I'd expect a TTSX to be even better.


DRT, vitals as soup, 3/4" exit... and you expect "better"? WTF is "better" than that?
TTSX seem softer IME than GMX. I'd surmise that at lower impact velocities they'd be more better.

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Mine shot those awesome with H414. That will easily break 3000.


I believe H414 IS W760.


It is


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