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it's not the medias fault when dumbasses come across as dumbasses.
these guys did NOTHING for us, and most likely have done more harm than good. just think, tiny communities now can justify swat teams.
Guns don't kill people, drivers with cell phones kill people.
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Who cheered? Some simply choose not to "choose sides" until the facts are known.
If this "movement" means (meant) so much to you........where were you? It's easy to talk (type) from the sidelines.
I believe you brought up the FFs earlier in this thread/topic. What percentage of our ancestors actually nutted up and DID something? 1/3rd.....probably less.
Each of "us" has our line in the sand. You've talked enough that it appears this reached your litmus test. So.....where were you?
Your comparison aside.....these folks don't reach FF status in my world.
George I did go out there to Burns, but I didn't join because it wasn't my hill. Doesn't mean I wouldn't have liked to see some good mileage come of it. Conservatives really need to get smart and stop bickering amongst themselves. Or, recognize fools being played as pawns for what they are and avoid the mess. This bunch wasn't and isn't any kind of "hero" and all they've done is make the .gov position stronger while damaging the positions of people who actually have and had a stake in changing things.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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They stood against oppressive govt, there was plenty of mileage to be gained. Just needed the right PR, which of course is impossible with the media. That's why they media needs to be the first to go, before anyone else. fb2, Perhaps they would have been better off if they had "stood" somewhere else. Maybe on the contested land of the "Hammonds" ranch? But then again, no cozy buildings with internet access there I guess. Geno
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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it's not the medias fault when dumbasses come across as dumbasses.
these guys did NOTHING for us, and most likely have done more harm than good. just think, tiny communities now can justify swat teams. Yeah buddy, Militarize Barney!  Geno PS, sarcasm font off now.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
(Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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fb2,
Perhaps they would have been better off if they had "stood" somewhere else.
Maybe on the contested land of the "Hammonds" ranch?
But then again, no cozy buildings with internet access there I guess.
Geno
You know, I'm beginning to think there is no way to satisfy a conservative.
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Why? You just said it wasn't your hill....why should anyone else choose it?
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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Why? You just said it wasn't your hill....why should anyone else choose it? I didn't choose it as my hill to die on, doesn't mean it doesn't have value if presented to the world in the right light. Argue argue argue biotch biotch biotch.
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Why? You just said it wasn't your hill....why should anyone else choose it? I didn't choose it as my hill to die on, doesn't mean it doesn't have value if presented to the world in the right light. Argue argue argue biotch biotch biotch. Wrong people, wrong message, wrong place, wrong time. The ONLY party that benefited was .gov, and the Bundys were played like fools to do exactly that.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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Yep. about it. The guv ONLY understands power.
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Wrong people, wrong message, wrong place, wrong time.
The ONLY party that benefited was .gov, and the Bundys were played like fools to do exactly that.
No worries, they murdered one and the rest will go to prison so all is well in America.
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Wrong people, wrong message, wrong place, wrong time.
The ONLY party that benefited was .gov, and the Bundys were played like fools to do exactly that.
No worries, they murdered one and the rest will go to prison so all is well in America. You continue to miss the points about who benefits, who loses, and why, not to mention how it happened.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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I don't consider debate for clarification arguing and I know damn well I haven't biotched about and of it.
Social Media is powerful enough that if their stance/agenda should have "spoke" for itself. It didn't, apparently, or folks would have rallied.
I'll be honest.....I know next to nothing in regards to grazing rights and don't anticipate digging into that lesson anytime soon. I know that the group in question isn't one I'd go out if my way for. Time will tell in regards to the shooting/arrest. If the facts point to the shoot being justified, these people have done more harm than good for the rest of "us".
The reports from folks " there" show a rift in opinions...... I'm not sure why those of us on the other side of the US should be intervening based on what's presented.
ETA: You're awful quick to jump to "murder"..... What info do you have that the rest of us don't.
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not to mention how it happened. I'm all ears. *You know what, I'm not. Conservatives will deserve what they get. I'm done.
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not to mention how it happened. I'm all ears. You know my supposition and it's a Hell of a lot more plausible than any of the rest, especially when one of the "leaders" was conveniently in Phoenix when all this went down and "turned himself in". The Bundys were played like fools by an agent provocateur to sabotage the Hammond case(s) and discredit Constitutionalists. Packing the bunch with druggies, felons, those kicked out of the military, and the like only made the entire job of discrediting those two parties all the easier.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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So, an armed protester walks into a Federal building...
There's no punchline.
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!"
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Why? You just said it wasn't your hill....why should anyone else choose it? I didn't choose it as my hill to die on, doesn't mean it doesn't have value if presented to the world in the right light. Argue argue argue biotch biotch biotch. fb2, No real need to die on that hill. One could take a stand of support on the bottom of the "hill" and risk a peaceful (read unarmed) arrest. You were there in Burns. You seem to be a supporter of the occupiers' cause. May I ask, other than driving over to Burns, what did you do to show your support? I'm not sure the cause under examination deserves dying for. Perhaps you don't either? I don't believe in their cause, so there was no way for them to please this "conservative" (if that's what I truly am. Perhaps more of an "Independent" if one must have a label). In my eyes, they, by force of arms, took over United States Government property and assumed the associated risks of doing so. Had they done so in an unarmed (yes, I agree they have the right to bear arms, perhaps not called for in this instance though) manner of peaceful civil disobedience, they may have garnered more respect from folks unfamiliar with their issue. Or perhaps they could have gained more "notoriety" for their cause had they made a stand, burned some .gov buildings, and gone out in a blaze of glory. Either way, one could argue, might have been a presentation to the world in a "better light". Wait, perhaps I am pleased, as the situation at hand seems to have been resolved (for the time being?) with a minimum of bloodshed on either side. I'm not sure, once this all got started, that we could have asked for a better outcome. No one actually expected the Federal gov to turn over those lands, did they? Fireball2, I'm really glad you didn't make it your hill, now you get to continue "discussions" here on our little piece of America. Geno
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men.
In it is contentment
In it is death and all you seek
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Real interesting news articles out "No details being released". Of course not...
They'd have to tell about murdering people. Routine traffic stop.
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Maybe some good will come of this.
Maybe the BLM and DOJ will start a campaign to collect unpaid grazing fees and thereby help reduce the National Debt.
We can only hope.
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Maybe some good will come of this.
Maybe the BLM and DOJ will start a campaign to collect unpaid grazing fees and thereby help reduce the National Debt.
We can only hope. What do you make of this video by Vanoy Finicum?? http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...E6BA06D6CB284704093AE6BA0&FORM=VIRE5
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