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Your grasping at "citizenship" is a classic misreading of the Constitution (and law), and a misunderstanding of the rights guaranteed therein. The issue is not "citizenship", but whether the individual involved is a person within the jurisdiction of the United States. There can be no denial that a human with distinct, individual DNA is, in fact, a person. Go back and re-read those documents again with an understanding of "person" and not "citizen" being the issue. Am I? "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." That's the definition of citizenship under the 14th Amendment. The Constitution and the rights guaranteed by it, as well as the protection of laws, is not limited to citizens. Is the baby a person (I.e., a distinct individual human being)? The answer is "yes". Go back and try again. Show (Copy and paste) the exact part of the Constitution that "grants" any rights to a fetus, or even mentions one at all. Otherwise you're just parroting the same lines over and over because you have no logical reason why you think it's any of your business As always, you're missing - intentionally - the point. The baby is, biologically and rationally, a "person". Read the Constitution and applicable laws for the applicability to "persons" or "people" and try again. You continue to use the word "fetus" to place the distinct, individual human being into a separate category. That is biologically and logically invalid, for exactly those (biological and logical) reasons. And there it is again No proof, just opinion It's not "a person" under the law, but you keep claiming the law says it is.
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And there it is again No proof, just opinion It's not "a person" under the law, but you keep claiming the law says it is.
Prove me wrong. You've not done so yet. Prove how the child it not a distinct, individual human being that is NOT therefore a "person". You've not yet engaged to any degree on any logical, moral, or philosophical level. The ball remains in your court, and you've got MUCH ground to cover in order to catch up. I'm not holding my breath on your ability to do so, but please feel free to try.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Snyper the point is that society can and does impose rules/laws on the people in that society. Those rules/laws do take the shared ethics/morality of society into account.
Basically I'm saying your argument of "you don't get to impose your morality or ethics on others" is pretty weak. Because within the limits of the Constitution the majority seems to do a pretty effective job of pushing their morality/ethics on others who don't necessarily agree. How many times will you repeat the same thing, thinking it will change anything I said? I don't care if you think it's "weak" It's still true that it's none of your business If you want to force your religion on others, ISIS is looking for help
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And there it is again No proof, just opinion It's not "a person" under the law, but you keep claiming the law says it is.
Prove me wrong. You've not done so yet. Prove how the child it not a distinct, individual human being that is NOT therefore a "person". You've not yet engaged to any degree on any logical, moral, or philosophical level. The ball remains in your court, and you've got MUCH ground to cover in order to catch up. I'm not holding my breath on your ability to do so, but please feel free to try. I've proven you're a mindless parrot who can only repeat lame rhetoric. I told you that before all this started, and you have shown it to be reality. I told you this was pointless in the first post I made. I really don't care if you agree or disagree Why does that confuse you so? I'm not interested in seeing who can be the most stupid for the longest time.
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And there it is again No proof, just opinion It's not "a person" under the law, but you keep claiming the law says it is.
Prove me wrong. You've not done so yet. Prove how the child it not a distinct, individual human being that is NOT therefore a "person". You've not yet engaged to any degree on any logical, moral, or philosophical level. The ball remains in your court, and you've got MUCH ground to cover in order to catch up. I'm not holding my breath on your ability to do so, but please feel free to try. I've proven you're a mindless parrot who can only repeat lame rhetoric. I told you that before all this started, and you have shown it to be reality. I told you this was pointless in the first post I made. I really don't care if you agree or disagree Why does that confuse you so? I'm not interested in seeing who can be the most stupid for the longest time. You have nothing, and you know it. There's no rhetoric, only a cogent argument. I realize that you don't care if you agree or disagree, because you lack the intellectual honest to evaluate your own position. That much is glaringly obvious. There is no confusion there, and neither is there in determining who can be the "most stupid for the longest time"; as you win that honor handily due to your lack of intestinal fortitude and any degree of intellectual honesty or integrity. Those things, too, are obvious. You haven't any basis for your position, and any conception of your argument as been destroyed. You are reduced to ad hominem attacks and superficial comments - as is abundantly clear from your recent posts.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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TWICE AS EXPENSIVE! Well played sir! By including an actual human female you have excluded him from the "race"!
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I'm reasonably certain I have not stated any preference for either side of the argument. Nor have I said anything about religion. I merely pointed out what I thought was a weakness in your argument and asked you to address it.
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Chief, good to see you're trying to stay on topic. Is that the young lady from your other post, regarding her plans for the future? She's a lucky gal to have a dad like you. Geno PS, I hope that's not a son of yours!
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Yes,she is the Cadet Corporal from the other post.
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It's still true that it's none of your business Snyper, you sound like a one phrase parrot here - one of the many things you apparently don't understand is that your saying something does not make it true. If someone decides to critique your behavior, or contest your moral structures (or lack thereof), or comment on the density of your cranial bones - it easily becomes their business. There is nothing you can say or do to change that. Time for the parrot again?
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Sure you are. I don't worry about "explaining to God" any more than most here would worry about making Allah happy. If I did, that's not anyone's business either There are no atheists in fox holes. I just believe in people minding their own business. And yes, I vote Me too. Killing unborn children is my business as much as pedophilia is my business. Neither is acceptable to me, so I vote for the pro-life candidates. No one besides pedophiles believe it's moral...and some of those know it's immoral, but can't control their urges. I arrested pedophiles. That's how I make it MY business - I vote. I vote in the hope of getting a USSC that will overturn Roe v. Wade.
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Cool beans, her deer I'm assuming and even if not, spending time hunting with dad is great! Geno PS NO, I don't feel bad if this is considered hijacking.
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I've proven you're a mindless parrot who can only repeat lame rhetoric.
I told you that before all this started, and you have shown it to be reality.
I told you this was pointless in the first post I made.
I really don't care if you agree or disagree Why does that confuse you so?
I'm not interested in seeing who can be the most stupid for the longest time.
No? You seem to answer every post.
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It is truly difficult to believe that a human being(being very gracious) would celebrate the murder of unborn children.I fervently believe that life should be protected/preserved until that life has proven to be a detriment to a civilized society. It is then however, that I support "post birth abortion". You may qualify as a "poster child" for that movement! memtb
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It's still true that it's none of your business Snyper, you sound like a one phrase parrot here - one of the many things you apparently don't understand is that your saying something does not make it true. If someone decides to critique your behavior, or contest your moral structures (or lack thereof), or comment on the density of your cranial bones - it easily becomes their business. There is nothing you can say or do to change that. Time for the parrot again? LOL You say that, while telling me "Saying something doesn't make it true" You finally said something I agree with
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I'm reasonably certain I have not stated any preference for either side of the argument. Nor have I said anything about religion. I merely pointed out what I thought was a weakness in your argument and asked you to address it. I did that multiple times and you're still repeating yourself.
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Sure you are. I don't worry about "explaining to God" any more than most here would worry about making Allah happy. If I did, that's not anyone's business either There are no atheists in fox holes. I just believe in people minding their own business. And yes, I vote Me too. Killing unborn children is my business as much as pedophilia is my business. Neither is acceptable to me, so I vote for the pro-life candidates. No one besides pedophiles believe it's moral...and some of those know it's immoral, but can't control their urges. I arrested pedophiles. That's how I make it MY business - I vote. I vote in the hope of getting a USSC that will overturn Roe v. Wade. An "abortionist" performs abortions. I don't We aren't in a fox hole and I don't care about your religion any more than you care about someone else's It's still none of your business, and in fact the Constitution guarantees a right to privacy, but not any "rights to a fetus", although some object to using the proper medical terminology You can vote for anyone you want, but you cant tell others what to do.
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Ken, I do hope that Featherweight is a 7mm Mauser.... otherwise that photo is TOTALLY OFF TOPIC!!! but congrats to your daughter if she is the one who dropped it... on topic, I heard Paddler got arrested for molesting the neighbor lady's cat? anyone verify that? if so, I think we need to start a RElief fund to bail him out... I mean, you can imagine his chances of surviving an LA County Lock Up.... he'll never break wind again....and there will be a low tone whistle ever time a breeze pops up...
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