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Originally Posted by TheOldTree
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I am telling you, we are not going backwards. It ain't going to happen.


Who is "we", and how - exactly - is the recognition and protection of innocent people within the U.S. going "backwards"? That sounds remarkably like a Hussein/Hitlery campaign slogan ("Forward", or some such schit).

Oh, and you're "telling" us? Is that an order, Herr lauren? Newsflash - you don't get to "tell" anyone anything. I realize that it's a common trait of fascist socialists to want to "tell" everyone else what to think or how to act, but you're going to fail as mightily on that point as you have on all the rest.

It's clear you can't change any minds because you have a position that is unsupportable biologically, logically, morally, or philosophically. If you can any basis of support, then your position might be not only defensible but also convincing. Since you have none, then it is neither.

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America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Originally Posted by Paddler
...You're why Republicans cannot win national office...

Really? I mean, really? Are you that intellectually dishonest? Or are you a just a garden variety liar? The last TWO mid-term elections completely reversed who controlled the House and the Senate. obumbler had a majority in the House and in the Senate and LOST BOTH. Republicans also gained in Governorships and other state House and Senate races. The mid-terms were landslide Republican victories every where but the Presidency. This Presidential election will complete the trifecta. The only Presidential candidate that had a higher "unfavorable" indicator than hitlery (52%) was Trump (60%). Cruz won Iowa BIG. Either Cruz or Rubio will be the next President and they will have a Republican controlled House and a Republican controlled Senate.

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Originally Posted by RWE
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You guys still prattling on about settled law?



we liberals are a cheerful bunch




Why should it matter to you?

you said I can make whatever I want my business and post what I want in a forum.

Unless you are a [bleep] liar and are yourself, a hypocrite to the nth degree, like all cheerful liberals.


I merely asked a question. You certainly are free to post as you like. Just watch your blood pressure, and remember your arguments are futile and you're completely wasting your time.

I misspoke about national elections. I meant presidential elections. Here in Utah our legislature gerrymandered our congressional boundaries to ensure only Republicans represent us. Of course they don't represent the people of Utah, they're just there to represent to billionaire donor class.


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Originally Posted by Paddler
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You guys still prattling on about settled law?



we liberals are a cheerful bunch




Why should it matter to you?

you said I can make whatever I want my business and post what I want in a forum.

Unless you are a [bleep] liar and are yourself, a hypocrite to the nth degree, like all cheerful liberals.


I merely asked a question. You certainly are free to post as you like. Just watch your blood pressure, and remember your arguments are futile and you're completely wasting your time.

I misspoke about national elections. I meant presidential elections. Here in Utah our legislature gerrymandered our congressional boundaries to ensure only Republicans represent us. Of course they don't represent the people of Utah, they're just there to represent to billionaire donor class.



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Originally Posted by Paddler
...I misspoke about national elections...

This is a Red Letter Day; a lib admits making a mistake. I'm marking it on my calendar for future perusal.

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Originally Posted by Magnumdood
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...I misspoke about national elections...

This is a Red Letter Day; a lib admits making a mistake. I'm marking it on my calendar for future perusal.


Don't get excited. It's not like I invaded Iraq over aluminum tubes or yellow cake. After all, electing our Senators and Representatives occurs within our state, so it really is a matter of verbiage. Not really a national election.


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Where, exactly, in the 14th Amendment is a gender discriminatory right to infanticide for convenience spelled out?

Here's the text of the 14th Amendment; please show EXACTLY where that right is enumerated.

Show a law that calls abortion "Infanticide"
You're still parroting the same BS from days ago, and it's still none of your business.

That's not going to change

You should heed your own advice:

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Oh, and you're "telling" us? Is that an order, Herr lauren? Newsflash - you don't get to "tell" anyone anything. I realize that it's a common trait of fascist socialists to want to "tell" everyone else what to think or how to act, but you're going to fail as mightily on that point as you have on all the rest.



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Originally Posted by Snyper
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Where, exactly, in the 14th Amendment is a gender discriminatory right to infanticide for convenience spelled out?

Here's the text of the 14th Amendment; please show EXACTLY where that right is enumerated.

Show a law that calls abortion "Infanticide"
You're still parroting the same BS from days ago, and it's still none of your business.

That's not going to change

You should heed your own advice:

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Oh, and you're "telling" us? Is that an order, Herr lauren? Newsflash - you don't get to "tell" anyone anything. I realize that it's a common trait of fascist socialists to want to "tell" everyone else what to think or how to act, but you're going to fail as mightily on that point as you have on all the rest.




Biology and logic are all that are necessary to understand that abortion is infanticide (by definition the intentional killing of a child).

As for "telling" someone what to think or how to act, it's called a biologically, logically, morally, and philosophically supportable argument in debating a position or belief. I understand that this is foreign to you because you are incapable of presenting the same. Also, context matters - which in the above partially quoted post of mine you both miss and misrepresent. Again, no surprises there as you have absolutely no way to defend your indefensible position.

The one parroting responses is you, and that is glaringly obvious.


Originally Posted by Mannlicher
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Snyder, paddler, et al,

Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:

1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.

2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.

Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business?

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yeah, that's pretty much it, dassa. Nothing in America makes any sense these days.


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Originally Posted by dassa
Snyder, paddler, et al,

Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:

1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.

2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.

Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business?


It's OK because there's a law that says so.

I expect them to turn in their guns when the law says so.

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Originally Posted by RWE
It's OK because there's a law that says so.

I expect them to turn in their guns when the law says so.


They just as well turn them in.. They won't have the ballz to use them when the time comes anyway.


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Originally Posted by dassa
Snyder, paddler, et al,

Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:

1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.

2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.

Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business?

Don't expose their hypocrisy in such a glaring manner. They rely on semantics almost exclusively. When you interject reality the silence becomes deafening.

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Originally Posted by dassa
Snyder, paddler, et al,

Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:

1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.

2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.

Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business?


It's your business, but until you carry the baby in your womb, it's not your decision. Simple.


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I laugh at the constant hypocrisy of chickenchit liberals.


"settled law"


"shall not be infringed" and yet......sigh


we'll either have to Balkanize or kill the fing liberals

you can't make treaties or come to agreements with dishonest people

they always want it both ways

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I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Originally Posted by TheOldTree
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I am telling you, we are not going backwards. It ain't going to happen.


Since RvW we have be going backwards...


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Where, exactly, in the 14th Amendment is a gender discriminatory right to infanticide for convenience spelled out?

Here's the text of the 14th Amendment; please show EXACTLY where that right is enumerated.

Show a law that calls abortion "Infanticide"
You're still parroting the same BS from days ago, and it's still none of your business.

That's not going to change

You should heed your own advice:

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Oh, and you're "telling" us? Is that an order, Herr lauren? Newsflash - you don't get to "tell" anyone anything. I realize that it's a common trait of fascist socialists to want to "tell" everyone else what to think or how to act, but you're going to fail as mightily on that point as you have on all the rest.




Biology and logic are all that are necessary to understand that abortion is infanticide (by definition the intentional killing of a child).

As for "telling" someone what to think or how to act, it's called a biologically, logically, morally, and philosophically supportable argument in debating a position or belief. I understand that this is foreign to you because you are incapable of presenting the same. Also, context matters - which in the above partially quoted post of mine you both miss and misrepresent. Again, no surprises there as you have absolutely no way to defend your indefensible position.

The one parroting responses is you, and that is glaringly obvious.

LOL
You've repeated the same lines at least 20 times, declaring your position the only correct position, and you're still wrong


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Originally Posted by dassa
Snyder, paddler, et al,

Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:

1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.

2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.

Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business?

It's not "my position".

It's how the laws of "society" work, which is what some keep saying is all that matters.

The right to decide on a legal abortion resides with the female under current laws. Neither the father nor the fetus have any enforceable rights at that point



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Originally Posted by RWE
Originally Posted by dassa
Snyder, paddler, et al,

Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:

1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.

2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.

Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business?


It's OK because there's a law that says so.

I expect them to turn in their guns when the law says so.

I expect you will since you're the "law abiding, moral ethical" type. I'm the "murderer", remember?


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Originally Posted by Paddler
Originally Posted by dassa
Snyder, paddler, et al,

Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:

1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.

2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.

Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business?


It's your business, but until you carry the baby in your womb, it's not your decision. Simple.


and YOU'RE a DOCTOR???/

what kind? A Witch Doctor???

Men don't have wombs stupid...

Typical leftist giving the father zero rights...

and killing children on top of it, because the woman might consider them inconvenient...

I only approve of abortions in extreme circumstances... such as if your mom wanted to have one with you.... I'd have supported that 100 %....

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