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Where, exactly, in the 14th Amendment is a gender discriminatory right to infanticide for convenience spelled out?
Here's the text of the 14th Amendment; please show EXACTLY where that right is enumerated. Show a law that calls abortion "Infanticide" You're still parroting the same BS from days ago, and it's still none of your business. That's not going to change You should heed your own advice: Oh, and you're "telling" us? Is that an order, Herr lauren? Newsflash - you don't get to "tell" anyone anything. I realize that it's a common trait of fascist socialists to want to "tell" everyone else what to think or how to act, but you're going to fail as mightily on that point as you have on all the rest. Biology and logic are all that are necessary to understand that abortion is infanticide (by definition the intentional killing of a child). As for "telling" someone what to think or how to act, it's called a biologically, logically, morally, and philosophically supportable argument in debating a position or belief. I understand that this is foreign to you because you are incapable of presenting the same. Also, context matters - which in the above partially quoted post of mine you both miss and misrepresent. Again, no surprises there as you have absolutely no way to defend your indefensible position. The one parroting responses is you, and that is glaringly obvious. LOL You've repeated the same lines at least 20 times, declaring your position the only correct position, and you're still wrong It's the only defensible position. Prove it wrong in the same logically, morally, and philosophically supported manner. You've had opportunities to do so, and failed (or avoided) doing so every time. The ball remains in your court.
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Snyder, paddler, et al,
Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:
1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.
2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.
Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business? It's not "my position". It's how the laws of "society" work, which is what some keep saying is all that matters. The right to decide on a legal abortion resides with the female under current laws. Neither the father nor the fetus have any enforceable rights at that point So, as long as it is legal under the laws of the society at the time then it is right and acceptable? That is clearly what you have just stated. In addition, you've stated that others should "mind their own business", and those are the only two positions you've ever articulated. Thus, your argument is reduced to pure legalism, and compounded by your maxim that "it's no one's business" so long as it is legal. Under that, then you clearly would not - and should not - have cared that all of these things were (or still are) legal under the laws of the society in which they are/were practiced, and you certainly cannot support anyone advocating against or opposing them: ![[Linked Image]](http://abhmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Slave-Auction-1840s.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://cdn.topdocumentaryfilms.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/taliban-child-fighters.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5047473.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/Children-behind-a-barbed-wire-fence-at-the-Nazi-concentration-camp-at-Auschwitz-in-southern-Poland.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/23/23/2ACA970D00000578-3172640-Islamic_State_militants_have_thrown_two_men_off_a_building_for_b-m-14_1437690939328.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://kkousherian.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/cb2.jpeg) ![[Linked Image]](http://www.memorialdelashoah.org/upload/minisites/ukraine/images/expo4_02_l.jpg) All legal under their societies at the time. Your legalism argument supports every one of these events and many more. Your "mind your business" position prevents you or others from voicing opposition to them; then or now.
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America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Where, exactly, in the 14th Amendment is a gender discriminatory right to infanticide for convenience spelled out?
Here's the text of the 14th Amendment; please show EXACTLY where that right is enumerated. Show a law that calls abortion "Infanticide" You're still parroting the same BS from days ago, and it's still none of your business. That's not going to change You should heed your own advice: Oh, and you're "telling" us? Is that an order, Herr lauren? Newsflash - you don't get to "tell" anyone anything. I realize that it's a common trait of fascist socialists to want to "tell" everyone else what to think or how to act, but you're going to fail as mightily on that point as you have on all the rest. Biology and logic are all that are necessary to understand that abortion is infanticide (by definition the intentional killing of a child). As for "telling" someone what to think or how to act, it's called a biologically, logically, morally, and philosophically supportable argument in debating a position or belief. I understand that this is foreign to you because you are incapable of presenting the same. Also, context matters - which in the above partially quoted post of mine you both miss and misrepresent. Again, no surprises there as you have absolutely no way to defend your indefensible position. The one parroting responses is you, and that is glaringly obvious. LOL You've repeated the same lines at least 20 times, declaring your position the only correct position, and you're still wrong It's the only defensible position. Prove it wrong in the same logically, morally, and philosophically supported manner. You've had opportunities to do so, and failed (or avoided) doing so every time. The ball remains in your court. You're still laboring under the delusion that anyone has to prove, justify or defend anything. It's none of your business, and all the historical trivia doesn't change anything I've stated. You don't have to like it, nor participate. You just have to accept it doesn't require anything other than for you to mind your own business and stop trying to force your beliefs on others.
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You're still laboring under the delusion that anyone has to prove, justify or defend anything.
It's none of your business, and all the historical trivia doesn't change anything I've stated.
You don't have to like it, nor participate.
You just have to accept it doesn't require anything other than for you to mind your own business and stop trying to force your beliefs on others.
No, it's quite clear that you cannot prove, justify, or defend your positions - as that is impossible to do. An INTELLIGENT and THINKING person can and does prove, justify, and defend their arguments and beliefs. You don't, because you are not. The evidence of your strict legalism and "minding your business" is evident in those pictures. That's the world you support, because those things were/are legal in the societies that practice(d) them.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Snyder, paddler, et al,
Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:
1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.
2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.
Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business? It's not "my position". It's how the laws of "society" work, which is what some keep saying is all that matters. The right to decide on a legal abortion resides with the female under current laws. Neither the father nor the fetus have any enforceable rights at that point Do you think that's just, or should people work to change that law?
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Snyder, paddler, et al,
Let me see if I have your position correct with a couple of hypotheticals:
1- My girlfriend and I decide to have a baby. Three months in to the pregnancy, she changes her mind. She kills my child, and I have no input.
2- My girlfriend and I decide we don't want to have a baby, and agree to use the pill for contraception. Without my knowledge she quits taking the pill because she now wants a baby. Ninth months later, a judge tells me I have to pay child support for 18 years.
Is it your position that in either scenario it's none of my business? It's your business, but until you carry the baby in your womb, it's not your decision. Simple. Do you think that's just, or should people work to change it?
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I think people should be able to do what they think is right
I believe I've said that several times
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You're still laboring under the delusion that anyone has to prove, justify or defend anything.
It's none of your business, and all the historical trivia doesn't change anything I've stated.
You don't have to like it, nor participate.
You just have to accept it doesn't require anything other than for you to mind your own business and stop trying to force your beliefs on others.
No, it's quite clear that you cannot prove, justify, or defend your positions - as that is impossible to do. An INTELLIGENT and THINKING person can and does prove, justify, and defend their arguments and beliefs. You don't, because you are not. The evidence of your strict legalism and "minding your business" is evident in those pictures. That's the world you support, because those things were/are legal in the societies that practice(d) them. Maybe if you repeat yourself another 20 times it will make a difference to someone other than yourself. I predicted in the beginning you'd parrot the rhetoric, and you've proven me correct. Which part of "I don't care what you think about it" is still confusing you? (And you say I'm not smart)
One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
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I think people should be able to do what they think is right
I believe I've said that several times I think not having taxpayer money channeled to abortion providers is right. Thank you for supporting me.
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I think people should be able to do what they think is right
I believe I've said that several times I think not having taxpayer money channeled to abortion providers is right. Thank you for supporting me. Stop it. Injection of intelligence is not allowed.
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You're still laboring under the delusion that anyone has to prove, justify or defend anything.
It's none of your business, and all the historical trivia doesn't change anything I've stated.
You don't have to like it, nor participate.
You just have to accept it doesn't require anything other than for you to mind your own business and stop trying to force your beliefs on others.
No, it's quite clear that you cannot prove, justify, or defend your positions - as that is impossible to do. An INTELLIGENT and THINKING person can and does prove, justify, and defend their arguments and beliefs. You don't, because you are not. The evidence of your strict legalism and "minding your business" is evident in those pictures. That's the world you support, because those things were/are legal in the societies that practice(d) them. Maybe if you repeat yourself another 20 times it will make a difference to someone other than yourself. I predicted in the beginning you'd parrot the rhetoric, and you've proven me correct. Which part of "I don't care what you think about it" is still confusing you? (And you say I'm not smart) It's not parroting; it's repeating a defensible argument. Parroting is saying what another person said without the ability to explain or defend it (i.e., your position). You're clearly not very intelligent, and certainly don't actually THINK about your positions. It's clear that you don't care, and that you don't think. Your basis in pure legalism is illustrated by what you would have to also support, and your "none of your business" mantra prevents you from criticizing or seeking to change that which is illogical, unethical, or immoral. In short, you have the mind and position of an immature adolescent, and your posts only continue to illustrate that fact. YOU may not have the intellectual honesty, or the moral or philosophical maturity, to be able to see the failures in your arguments and your position, but you're doing a masterful job of showing those flaws by your repeated posts and your inability to address the biological, logical, moral, and philosophical arguments put to you by me and by others. I have NO doubt that you won't understand that situation either, so please continue.
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I think people should be able to do what they think is right
I believe I've said that several times No, in fact, you have not said that. You have said that since it's legal then it's acceptable, and that anyone who disagrees with what is legal should "mind their own business". That is quite the opposite from people being able to do what is (or they think is) right, as illustrated quite plainly by the pictures I posted of things that were/are legal in those societies. Your repeatedly stated position (the antithesis of what you just wrote above) has you defending those atrocities as legal, and incapable of objecting to them because you and others should "mind their own business".
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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I think people should be able to do what they think is right
I believe I've said that several times I think not having taxpayer money channeled to abortion providers is right. Thank you for supporting me. Stop it. Injection of intelligence is not allowed. RWE cannot help it,he has a brain and knows how to use it.
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So, do you guys pound sand all year long? Heat of summer, dead of winter? Do you have indoor sand next to your keyboards?
Do you have women in your lives who agree with you? Certainly the majority of women in this country wouldn't put up with your crap.
How long will you prattle on about a Supreme Court decision from 1973? Do you have other hobbies?
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So, do you guys pound sand all year long? Heat of summer, dead of winter? Do you have indoor sand next to your keyboards?
Do you have women in your lives who agree with you? Certainly the majority of women in this country wouldn't put up with your crap.
How long will you prattle on about a Supreme Court decision from 1973? Do you have other hobbies? Why look, the hypocrite pervert doc relies on soundbites and insults instead of debating or discussing the issues on any biological, logical, moral, or philosophical level. So, you guys prefer soundbites and insults over discussions about issues?
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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And he uses the word "prattle", he must be a homo
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Rude, demeaning, and maybe a perv. Apr 29th, 2013 I went to doctor Middleton for severe abdominal pains through Instacare. Just as Stu M. has stated, I was demeaned and made to feel VERY uncomfortable around this doctor. He behaved as if I was arguing against everything he said-though I wasnt saying a word! I was simply nodding and listening. I was not instructed to sit back up after he did his "pressing" over my abdomen to check for god-knows what whilst in a smock. He continued during the majority of my consultation to touch and grab my entire stomach area, even getting a bit too close to the breasts... I was so severely uncomfortable that I didnt know what to say or do so I eventually just sat up of my own accord. I was given a LECTURE on how I did not have any ulcers, and that the tests werent worth his time and was issued a prescription for irritable bowel syndrome. So far this medicine has only been a super-tum, making it easier to have taco bell. After he left (without any instruction on whether to return to reception or anything!) my husband, who had been sitting in said that he felt uncomfortable with his 'prodding.' So I know it wasnt just me! I was given no information about the prescription I was issued such as lifestyle changes etc. So I ended up calling before pick-up. When doing this I decided to inform the head nurse of my discomfort and ill-treatment and asked her to make the appropriate person aware of this. Im sure she did no such thing. Ill be seeing Doctor Moore for a second opinion. http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Jon_Middleton/reviews#ixzz3zJU8mZ6J
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If ever there was a excusable reason for abortion
You would be it. What do you mean by that? I'm a well-educated, thoughtful, productive, tax paying member of society. Responsible gun owner, ethical hunter, too. And, I obey the laws of the land and mind my own business. You should follow my lead. And so long as those guns fit in to your narrow view of what is acceptable, everything is good, right? Did you ever figure out your answer to this?
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Is Dr. John Middleton still touching his patients inappropriately?
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