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A consequence of this distillation could be the reduction of cartridge options in firearms, keeping the production going for rifles chambered for high volume cartridges and, reducing or even eliminating the production of firearms for less popular, lower volume cartridges. An additional consequence farther downstream could be less access to factory ammo and components for those lower volume cartridges. When Olin still owned and ran Winchester, they appeared to care more about providing factory ammo for cartridges that they had introduced for rifles that they sold, so they kept making enough production runs of cartridges like the 218 Bee, 220 Swift, 225 Win, 25-20, 25-35, etc. to keep some inventory on dealer shelves. Since Olin is no longer directly tied to Winchester firearms, they no longer seem to feel much obligation to support Winchester owners with low demand ammo. When they can sell all the higher demand ammo that they can produce, why should they reallocate production capacity for "obsolete" cartridges? I predict the following cartridges will be dead soon as far as the major ammunition makers go: .17 Hornet .17 Remington .17 Remington Fireball .204 Ruger .22 Accelerator .22 Hornet .22 CHeetah .218 Bee .219 Zipper .220 Russian .220 Swift .221 Remington Fireball .222 Remington Magnum .223 Winchester Super Short Magnum .225 Winchester .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum .244 H&H Magnum .244 Remington .25 Remington .25 Winchester Super Short Magnum .250 Savage .25-06 Remington .25-20 Winchester .25-35 Winchester .250-3000 Savage .257 Roberts .26 Nosler 260 Remington .264 Winchester Magnum .270 Winchester Short Magnum .275 Rigby .28 Nosler .280 Ross .280 Remington .284 Winchester .30 Nosler .30 RAR .30 Remington .30 Remington AR .30 TC .30-40 Krag (.30 Army) .30-03 .300 Remington SA Ultra Mag .300 Ruger Compact Magnum .30 Newton .30 R Blaser .300 Savage .300 Winchester Short Magnum .300 Remington Ultra Magnum .300 H&H Magnum .300 H&H Flanged .303 British .303 Savage .307 Winchester .308 Marlin Express .308 Norma Magnum .32 Remington .32 Winchester Self-Loading .32-30 Remington .32-20 Winchester (.32 WCF, .32-20 Marlin, .32 Colt Lightning) .32-40 Ballard .32-40 Winchester .325 Winchester Short Magnum .333 Jeffery .338 Edge .338 Federal .338 Lapua Magnum .338 Marlin express .338 Norma Magnum .338 Remington Ultra Magnum .338 Ruger Compact Magnum .338-06 A-Square .338-378 Weatherby Magnum .348 Winchester .35 Remington .35 Winchester .35 Winchester Self-Loading .350 Remington Magnum .351 Winchester Self-Loading .356 Winchester .358 Hoosier .358 Norma Magnum .358 Winchester .375 Remington Ultra Magnum .375 Ruger .375 Weatherby Magnum .375 Whelen (.375-06) .375 Winchester .375 CheyTac .376 Steyr .38-40 Winchester .38-55 Winchester .38-56 WCF .38-90 Winchester Express .38-44 UMC I don't think the big three care about us at all. I would like to see Privi Partizan come out with a lot of these great cartridges, even if it involved once a year limited runs. Thanks... .260 Remington? Lapua can't make brass fast enough... .300 H&H Magnum? Doubt it. One of Darcy's more popular Legend chambers. I want one and so do most other 40 year old professonal small boys.. .338 Lapua Magnum? Surely you jest... Guys are actually building these into hunting rifles where the average distance to deer is 125 yards. There is no worry of this one going anywhere especially in new CIP length. Move big heap AI AXMC in said caliber. Guys just want one. I'm going to pop for the $10,500 and buy the AI Maverick 41 even as a Dealer. Will find an AW .300 Bolt by hook or crook and let it escalate while I plink in my favorite .300 Winchester Magnum which flourishes WITHOUT decent brass... Dunno on this... Think you are looking on the dark side of the force here. Respectfully, Matt.
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There IS a lot of dead wood in there... I'll buy .30-30 Winchester from Winchester/Olin and load it for the like new Pre-64 94 my father left me... Winchester/Olin can't produce decent .270 Winchester Brass at the moment. The same can be said of .243 Brass and I have been working with it so this is not a slam. I used to prefer and generally love W-W Brass for Everything. Why I could not have bought 500 pieces of .375 H&H Brass instead of 200 when I was working on the range and my price was south of a give away... They need to stick to their core business and get QC under control before they become an also ran... I truly would be delighted if Lapua would start making .270 Winchester, bring back .300 Winchester Magnum, and bring .375 H&H Magnum into the fold. .300 H&H Magnum would be leave me like a kid in a candy store and I know it won't happen but it WOULD be nice... That said I am thrilled they started making 7mm/08 Remington Brass and hold out hope for the other really good cartridges... Time is money, and repetitive motion is carpal tunnel, I am THRILLED to pay for Lapua Brass. I really have ZERO use for .338 LM, however, guys are entranced by that case...
I think more shooters are more affluent than in years past and are willing to pay to play. I think this is being catered to quite a bit and I hope it continues to a point. It is the memories afield I enjoy not scrapping out junk brass... Buy once cry once.
Regards, Matt.
Regards, Matt.
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Respectfully,
There IS a lot of dead wood in there... I'll buy .30-30 Winchester from Winchester/Olin and load it for the like new Pre-64 94 my father left me... Winchester/Olin can't produce decent .270 Winchester Brass at the moment. The same can be said of .243 Brass and I have been working with it so this is not a slam. I used to prefer and generally love W-W Brass for Everything. Why I could not have bought 500 pieces of .375 H&H Brass instead of 200 when I was working on the range and my price was south of a give away... They need to stick to their core business and get QC under control before they become an also ran... I truly would be delighted if Lapua would start making .270 Winchester, bring back .300 Winchester Magnum, and bring .375 H&H Magnum into the fold. .300 H&H Magnum would be leave me like a kid in a candy store and I know it won't happen but it WOULD be nice... That said I am thrilled they started making 7mm/08 Remington Brass and hold out hope for the other really good cartridges... Time is money, and repetitive motion is carpal tunnel, I am THRILLED to pay for Lapua Brass. I really have ZERO use for .338 LM, however, guys are entranced by that case...
I think more shooters are more affluent than in years past and are willing to pay to play. I think this is being catered to quite a bit and I hope it continues to a point. It is the memories afield I enjoy not scrapping out junk brass... Buy once cry once.
Regards, Matt.
Regards, Matt. In the Winchester/Olin lines, I'm having excellent accuracy from the 243 95 grain Extreme Point in my Remington 700 CDL-SF and RAR-P and from the 270 130 grain Power-Max Bonded in my CLR and Remington 760. In the Hornady lines, I'm having excellent accuracy with everything that I've shot, with American Whitetail in 25-06, 270, and 7MM-08 being very accurate in all the rifles that I've shot it in. Their 6.5 Creedmoor ammo is also excellent, with the 120, 129, and 140 grain ammo doing sub-MOA in my inexpensive RAR-P, as well as in my Vanguard2 money pit. In the Remington lines, the only cartridges that I buy are 170 grain 30-30s and they have been on the market so long that Fed/Rem/Win are all but interchangeable. I buy the Remington brand because I think that the little "scallops" on the RNCL bullets are cute. In the Federal lines, I shoot the 80 grain "Blue Box" and 95 grain "Deer Thug" and "Fusion" in a couple of different 243s. I am thinking about switching to the Winchester/Olin 95 grain Extreme Point for all of the 243s that I don't load for, even though Federals are usually a little less expensive.
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A consequence of this distillation could be the reduction of cartridge options in firearms, keeping the production going for rifles chambered for high volume cartridges and, reducing or even eliminating the production of firearms for less popular, lower volume cartridges. An additional consequence farther downstream could be less access to factory ammo and components for those lower volume cartridges. When Olin still owned and ran Winchester, they appeared to care more about providing factory ammo for cartridges that they had introduced for rifles that they sold, so they kept making enough production runs of cartridges like the 218 Bee, 220 Swift, 225 Win, 25-20, 25-35, etc. to keep some inventory on dealer shelves. Since Olin is no longer directly tied to Winchester firearms, they no longer seem to feel much obligation to support Winchester owners with low demand ammo. When they can sell all the higher demand ammo that they can produce, why should they reallocate production capacity for "obsolete" cartridges? I predict the following cartridges will be dead soon as far as the major ammunition makers go: .17 Hornet .17 Remington .17 Remington Fireball .204 Ruger .22 Accelerator .22 Hornet .22 CHeetah .218 Bee .219 Zipper .220 Russian .220 Swift .221 Remington Fireball .222 Remington Magnum .223 Winchester Super Short Magnum .225 Winchester .243 Winchester Super Short Magnum .244 H&H Magnum .244 Remington .25 Remington .25 Winchester Super Short Magnum .250 Savage .25-06 Remington .25-20 Winchester .25-35 Winchester .250-3000 Savage .257 Roberts .26 Nosler 260 Remington .264 Winchester Magnum .270 Winchester Short Magnum .275 Rigby .28 Nosler .280 Ross .280 Remington .284 Winchester .30 Nosler .30 RAR .30 Remington .30 Remington AR .30 TC .30-40 Krag (.30 Army) .30-03 .300 Remington SA Ultra Mag .300 Ruger Compact Magnum .30 Newton .30 R Blaser .300 Savage .300 Winchester Short Magnum .300 Remington Ultra Magnum .300 H&H Magnum .300 H&H Flanged .303 British .303 Savage .307 Winchester .308 Marlin Express .308 Norma Magnum .32 Remington .32 Winchester Self-Loading .32-30 Remington .32-20 Winchester (.32 WCF, .32-20 Marlin, .32 Colt Lightning) .32-40 Ballard .32-40 Winchester .325 Winchester Short Magnum .333 Jeffery .338 Edge .338 Federal .338 Lapua Magnum .338 Marlin express .338 Norma Magnum .338 Remington Ultra Magnum .338 Ruger Compact Magnum .338-06 A-Square .338-378 Weatherby Magnum .348 Winchester .35 Remington .35 Winchester .35 Winchester Self-Loading .350 Remington Magnum .351 Winchester Self-Loading .356 Winchester .358 Hoosier .358 Norma Magnum .358 Winchester .375 Remington Ultra Magnum .375 Ruger .375 Weatherby Magnum .375 Whelen (.375-06) .375 Winchester .375 CheyTac .376 Steyr .38-40 Winchester .38-55 Winchester .38-56 WCF .38-90 Winchester Express .38-44 UMC I don't think the big three care about us at all. I would like to see Privi Partizan come out with a lot of these great cartridges, even if it involved once a year limited runs. Thanks... I suppose in the end there really is not much that can not be done with a 30-06 and a .22lr, but that is really not very exciting now is it?
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.25-20 ain't going nowhere....we both like it way too much.
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Actually SEEN commercially made "22 Cheetah" ammunition somewhere ?
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Respectfully,
There IS a lot of dead wood in there... I'll buy .30-30 Winchester from Winchester/Olin and load it for the like new Pre-64 94 my father left me... Winchester/Olin can't produce decent .270 Winchester Brass at the moment. The same can be said of .243 Brass and I have been working with it so this is not a slam. I used to prefer and generally love W-W Brass for Everything. Why I could not have bought 500 pieces of .375 H&H Brass instead of 200 when I was working on the range and my price was south of a give away... They need to stick to their core business and get QC under control before they become an also ran... I truly would be delighted if Lapua would start making .270 Winchester, bring back .300 Winchester Magnum, and bring .375 H&H Magnum into the fold. .300 H&H Magnum would be leave me like a kid in a candy store and I know it won't happen but it WOULD be nice... That said I am thrilled they started making 7mm/08 Remington Brass and hold out hope for the other really good cartridges... Time is money, and repetitive motion is carpal tunnel, I am THRILLED to pay for Lapua Brass. I really have ZERO use for .338 LM, however, guys are entranced by that case...
I think more shooters are more affluent than in years past and are willing to pay to play. I think this is being catered to quite a bit and I hope it continues to a point. It is the memories afield I enjoy not scrapping out junk brass... Buy once cry once.
Regards, Matt.
Regards, Matt. In the Winchester/Olin lines, I'm having excellent accuracy from the 243 95 grain Extreme Point in my Remington 700 CDL-SF and RAR-P and from the 270 130 grain Power-Max Bonded in my CLR and Remington 760. In the Hornady lines, I'm having excellent accuracy with everything that I've shot, with American Whitetail in 25-06, 270, and 7MM-08 being very accurate in all the rifles that I've shot it in. Their 6.5 Creedmoor ammo is also excellent, with the 120, 129, and 140 grain ammo doing sub-MOA in my inexpensive RAR-P, as well as in my Vanguard2 money pit. In the Remington lines, the only cartridges that I buy are 170 grain 30-30s and they have been on the market so long that Fed/Rem/Win are all but interchangeable. I buy the Remington brand because I think that the little "scallops" on the RNCL bullets are cute. In the Federal lines, I shoot the 80 grain "Blue Box" and 95 grain "Deer Thug" and "Fusion" in a couple of different 243s. I am thinking about switching to the Winchester/Olin 95 grain Extreme Point for all of the 243s that I don't load for, even though Federals are usually a little less expensive. fwiw, I pay more attention to brass availability. Premium bullets for any and every purpose are everywhere. We are living in the good old days of WONDER BULLETS... At least if you handled... I rarely ever buy loaded ammunition unless it is New Black Hills, Federal Match/Premium, or Winchester Premium and I am in a time crunch. Most cheap factory ammo, short winchester varmint .223, generally sucks... I, respectfully, don't have time for it... Regards, Matt. FORGOT LAPUA... Never find anything but rimfire around here, however, I have shot both Lapua & RUAG Factory and both were superb. Did NOT have to pay for it...
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Well, I've always heard that you couldn't hardly give a Savage away. Looks like that was pretty close to being right. I know where anyone could send one they don't like....
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