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Originally Posted by curdog4570
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As long as feral pigs bring in as much money as they do to state and local economies they'll never be eradicated.


Ain't no money to speak of made from hog hunters.



Yeah....sure. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big proponent of the money hunting and fishing brings to small local economies. It's a great thing. From food, beer, ice, gas, butchers, guides and waitresses all benefit. How much will the local economy benefit from 26 good dudes descending upon Crystal Texas? How much are out of state licenses and tags? How much is a lease? How much corn gets involuntarily donated to feral pigs? It all adds up.



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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
How did the hogs that ran wild around the southern areas of the country less than 100 years ago all get wiped out until recently?

What worked then that won't work now?


the depression, i would guess.

Idaho's elk population recovered from the depression just in time for the feds to turn the wolves loose on them.

The boys in Texas are welcome to all the wolves they want to trap and transport.


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That's not a drop in the bucket compared to deer hunting by locals in that same area.

There just aren't many large scale hog hunting operations around. Certainly not enough to have much impact on the economy.


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
How did the hogs that ran wild around the southern areas of the country less than 100 years ago all get wiped out until recently?

What worked then that won't work now?


the depression, i would guess.

Idaho's elk population recovered from the depression just in time for the feds to turn the wolves loose on them.

The boys in Texas are welcome to all the wolves they want to trap and transport.


Screw worms were the limiting factor. Screw worm eradication helped the livestock, deer, and unfortunately the pigs.

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Interesting how people who are NOT landowners always want free access to land? If you folks think hogs are such "pests", why would you even want to hunt them? I have hogs on my property, much prefer them to trespassers! Even here in Texas, they kinda frown on us shooting strangers we catch on our property, but not so the hogs!

Also, the ones who spout off the most nonsense about the hogs situation, naturally, are the ones who know the least about it.

Since Flave doesn't seem to be around, I'll say it - GFY!

Lots ya'll will never know about the hod situation down here, or a lot of other things.

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That's exactly the question I'm asking Mike. WTF would anyone pay to hunt a feral and invasive species is beyond me.


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The "you owe me something" non-land owners are easy to spot and fun to laugh at. They don't have a clue.


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Originally Posted by Mikewriter
Interesting how people who are NOT landowners always want free access to land? If you folks think hogs are such "pests", why would you even want to hunt them? I have hogs on my property, much prefer them to trespassers! Even here in Texas, they kinda frown on us shooting strangers we catch on our property, but not so the hogs!

Also, the ones who spout off the most nonsense about the hogs situation, naturally, are the ones who know the least about it.

Since Flave doesn't seem to be around, I'll say it - GFY!

Lots ya'll will never know about the hod situation down here, or a lot of other things.


Excellent post.


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Originally Posted by jeffbird
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Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
How did the hogs that ran wild around the southern areas of the country less than 100 years ago all get wiped out until recently?

What worked then that won't work now?


the depression, i would guess.

Idaho's elk population recovered from the depression just in time for the feds to turn the wolves loose on them.

The boys in Texas are welcome to all the wolves they want to trap and transport.


Screw worms were the limiting factor. Screw worm eradication helped the livestock, deer, and unfortunately the pigs.


Hogs were never "wiped out". At least not here. During the great depression, the woods were full of hogs and were considered somebody's property.


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Hogs were never "wiped out". At least not here. During the great depression, the woods were full of hogs and were considered somebody's property. [/quote]

I was born and raised on the Concho river just east of San Angelo, Texas. This part of west Texas is covered up in WT deer and has been since before I was born.
My father on the other hand never saw a WT deer until he was 15 years old and that was near Houston. According to him we have always had hogs along the river bottoms but the deer only showed up after several truckloads were brought in from south Texas to a big ranch west of town in the early 1950's.


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Same here. My parents and their siblings were dirt poor and raised in the red lands of East Texas, living off the land. I'll never forget my uncle (who would be 100) telling me that he was 18 before he ever saw a live deer.


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Interesting how people who are NOT landowners always want free access to land? If you folks think hogs are such "pests", why would you even want to hunt them? I have hogs on my property, much prefer them to trespassers! Even here in Texas, they kinda frown on us shooting strangers we catch on our property, but not so the hogs!


Then why so much bitching about hog problems? miles


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
Same here. My parents and their siblings were dirt poor and raised in the red lands of East Texas, living off the land. I'll never forget my uncle (who would be 100) telling me that he was 18 before he ever saw a live deer.


My granddad was the same. He was born and raised in Llano County, and told me when he was a kid, there were no deer there.

Someone must have put a bunch of automatic deer feeders out every few steps in the 50's and 60's for the population to have grown to what it is in that county now... whistle grin

Jeffbird hit on a factor that is seldom recognized as the epic event it was for wildlife and livestock survival.

Good job, Jeff.

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Screw worms were the limiting factor. Screw worm eradication helped the livestock, deer, and unfortunately the pigs.


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On that note, it is estimated that the whitetail population of the entire United States was 250,000 in 1900.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
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Same here. My parents and their siblings were dirt poor and raised in the red lands of East Texas, living off the land. I'll never forget my uncle (who would be 100) telling me that he was 18 before he ever saw a live deer.


My granddad was the same. He was born and raised in Llano County, and told me when he was a kid, there were no deer there.

Someone must have put a bunch of automatic deer feeders out every few steps in the 50's and 60's for the population to have grown to what it is in that county now... whistle grin

Jeffbird hit on a factor that is seldom recognized as the epic event it was for wildlife and livestock survival.

Good job, Jeff.

Originally Posted by jeffbird
Screw worms were the limiting factor. Screw worm eradication helped the livestock, deer, and unfortunately the pigs.


I'm always the first to laugh at an Aggie joke but it was some folks at Texas A&M that came up with the method to eradicate the screw worm. It's development completely changed the game for livestock and wildlife in the south!


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Originally Posted by ltppowell
On that note, it is estimated that the whitetail population of the entire United States was 250,000 in 1900.


Some fairly recent estimates of a few states on deer populations.

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Texas 3,748,000
Michigan 1,900,000
Mississippi 1,750,000
Wisconsin 1,600,000
Alabama 1,500,000


Musta been all those deer feeders...


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Originally Posted by wisturkeyhunter
Just because the current route isn't working doesn't mean a different approach can't.

A different approach would work really well. Ya see , in Wisconsin we got rid of them faster than you can slap a tick. They never even got a foot hold. The reason is , us Wisconsin boys know how to hunt. In Wisconsin we drive deer quite a bit and many get some bruiser bucks. I doubt those hogs are not any smarter than an old buck, NO WAY!. It seems, ( Texas boys , dont get hurt now) that you all sit in box blinds. You can't hunt hogs like that . One poster even said , he could have a hog by noon but it would be 2 weeks before one would come back in the same field. There is no reason you can't get drives going and push them enough for them to make a mistake. Good shooting and safety is a must however. Also, we have had these conversations before about hog problems. Lawsuits always come up. It is an excuse . I have hunted in Wisconsin all my life and NEVER heard of a lawsuit. NOT ONCE. And if you guys with hog problems are so selfish , then let the hogs ruin your land. And dont tell me I dont let others hunt my land. We do, we also let the neighbors hunt a bit, walk along our river, walk their dogs ETC. We are happy to share our land, of course , within reason and never asked for a penny. Not bad for a bunch of Yankees huh Steelhead.


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My dad tells me that when he was a kid in the 50s that if someone saw a deer track they went to town and told about it as a big deal.

As for deer feeders, they have nothing to do with deer numbers as that deer only breed once a year and they provide little in the way of nutrition for them. On our place, the deer won't eat corn. They prefer other stuff. All you get are pictures of coons and hogs on the corn.

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Originally Posted by ltppowell
On that note, it is estimated that the whitetail population of the entire United States was 250,000 in 1900.


I was surprised, when reading "Journal of a Trapper, that Osbourne Russel who was born around 1800 and lived in Maine had never fired a rifle until he went West around 1830.

Apparently game was not nearly as plentiful by that time as I had always imagined.

In 1960, when I left for the Service, I would have to travel 20 miles to find deer. When I came home in 1964, they were all over this country.

There had always been wild hogs in the Squaw Mountain area in Northern Jack County but they had never migrated west of HWY 281 into Young County.

In the 'seventies, a couple of brothers who owned a ranch in the Squaw Mountain are rigged up a trailer with a trap door and caught hogs. Leasing pastures for deer hunting was becoming common by then and hunters would pay the boys to bring a trailer load to a pasture they had leased. They would feed them corn and water them in the trailer for a few days, then release them with a corn feeder placed where the trailer had been.

I know of three pastures, myself, here in North Young County where this was done.

In a very few years, hogs were plentiful all the way from Squaw Mountain to Jean. They seem to set up boundaries and stay in those boundaries for a long time. I saw the same thing in Cottle County, out under the Caprock. They stayed in pockets, even though the country adjacent to them was just like the area where they were established. Then they would suddenly appear miles away.

Just like W T deer, they use the rivers and large creeks as migration routes when they do spread out.

One of my long time M D hunting partners has a flying service in rice country and has a helicopter used strictly for facilitating rice "breeding" and killing hogs, since they are death on a rice field.

They do little damage to range land, wheat, or cotton, but play hell with a hay field.


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Originally Posted by ihookem
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Just because the current route isn't working doesn't mean a different approach can't.

A different approach would work really well. Ya see , in Wisconsin we got rid of them faster than you can slap a tick. They never even got a foot hold. The reason is , us Wisconsin boys know how to hunt. In Wisconsin we drive deer quite a bit and many get some bruiser bucks. I doubt those hogs are not any smarter than an old buck, NO WAY!. It seems, ( Texas boys , dont get hurt now) that you all sit in box blinds. You can't hunt hogs like that . One poster even said , he could have a hog by noon but it would be 2 weeks before one would come back in the same field. There is no reason you can't get drives going and push them enough for them to make a mistake. Good shooting and safety is a must however. Also, we have had these conversations before about hog problems. Lawsuits always come up. It is an excuse . I have hunted in Wisconsin all my life and NEVER heard of a lawsuit. NOT ONCE. And if you guys with hog problems are so selfish , then let the hogs ruin your land. And dont tell me I dont let others hunt my land. We do, we also let the neighbors hunt a bit, walk along our river, walk their dogs ETC. We are happy to share our land, of course , within reason and never asked for a penny. Not bad for a bunch of Yankees huh Steelhead.


Watching you tough guys "drive" hogs around here would be worth BIG money.


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