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I don't think anyone would want to shoot those 32k cup loads in a birdshead gripped revolver!
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Notice 10,000 CUPS lower pressure for the 45 Colt and if the 80% rule is used the 45 Colt is under loaded Here is chrono results with a 4 3/4" barrel 45 Colt ![[Linked Image]](http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/DSC01627_zps542254dc.jpg) So what? The difference in pressure is meaningless. It's as meaningful as the few extra grains of powder the .45 uses to accomplish the same thing. You just introduced two unnecessary variables. I'm not testing boutique factory loads. Boutique loads that we KNOW use non-cannister grade blended powders. Boutique loads that we know run right at or over industry maximums. I'm testing published handloads using data from the same source. Data, I might add, that correlates perfectly with Linebaugh's own data. If you can provide data that shoves the 335gr with more than 23.5gr of H110, I'll test it. I'm also not testing FA's with minimum spec, linebored chambers and minuscule barrel cylinder gaps.
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270winchester, Yes and thanks. I called Sierra this morning and talked to them about it. They said I would be fine with their Ruger loads to about the middle ground and from there use extreme caution. They say the action is a lot stronger than most people give it credit for but still no need to push it to the ragged edge. 458 Lott, you are correct sir. 
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Brian Pearce's Redhawk only loads that approach 50,000psi, begin a half grain over Hodgdon's "Ruger only" data. Starting with 24.0gr under the 335gr CPBC, he gets 1366fps out of a 7½" Redhawk.
That's a half grain over max with a revolver three inches longer than my Bisley Vaquero.
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 24.0 1366
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 25.0 1424
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 26.0 1485
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 26.5 1511
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They say the action is a lot stronger than most people give it credit for but still no need to push it to the ragged edge. That's completely unproven. There is no reason to believe them stronger than the Colt or USFA SAA. I would load a New Vaquero no higher than the common "Tier II" 21-22,000psi.
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They say the action is a lot stronger than most people give it credit for but still no need to push it to the ragged edge. That's completely unproven. There is no reason to believe them stronger than the Colt or USFA SAA. I would load a New Vaquero no higher than the common "Tier II" 21-22,000psi. About middle ground for the Ruger only loads would be right about Tier II level just as I stated. How many have you seen come apart anyway?
Last edited by TC1; 02/24/16. Reason: Took out a comment that I wouldn't want misconstrued
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The medium frame New Vaquero is not made in .44Mag. The New Vaquero is a medium frame. The .44Mag is ONLY chambered in the large frame Vaquero. That new model Ruger is building is a large frame Vaquero stamped "New Vaquero". Further confusing stupidity on Ruger's part.
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The throats on this 45 are perfect. ![[Linked Image]](http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/EvilTwinMar/SW45003.jpg) Could someone please help me out with the specifics of this pistol? The way I load nowadays, I can tell little difference between the performance of the two cartridges. My days of pushing the outer limits of are in the rvm. So when I’m picking it is usually done because of the platform rather than the cartridge. I do rather enjoy the S&W N frames and wish they produced more variety in 45colt, but it is what it is. So when I’m looking at DA it is usually 44mag when SA it is generally 45colt. That being said I do have a dandy 25-5 that I have owned for over 30 years and I covet mightily. AJD
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Brian Pearce's Redhawk only loads that approach 50,000psi, begin a half grain over Hodgdon's "Ruger only" data. Starting with 24.0gr under the 335gr CPBC, he gets 1366fps out of a 7½" Redhawk.
That's a half grain over max with a revolver three inches longer than my Bisley Vaquero.
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 24.0 1366
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 25.0 1424
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 26.0 1485
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 26.5 1511
Sheesh! My wrists would be swollen and begging for ice before I got through with a couple of cylinders of those top end loads.
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I don't even like shooting standard pressure loads in the Redhawk, much less 50,000psi! A 335gr over 1500fps is going to be nasty!
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It's amazing how just an extra couple grains of powder and 100+fps make a huge increase in fealt recoil. I've pushed 400 gr North of 1300 fps out of my 480, but it's just not a pleasant experience.
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I've been using a lot of 355gr WFN's at 1400fps out of my .480 and with the wrong grips, it really sucks! I need to knock it back to 1200.
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Brian Pearce's Redhawk only loads that approach 50,000psi, begin a half grain over Hodgdon's "Ruger only" data. Starting with 24.0gr under the 335gr CPBC, he gets 1366fps out of a 7½" Redhawk.
That's a half grain over max with a revolver three inches longer than my Bisley Vaquero.
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 24.0 1366
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 25.0 1424
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 26.0 1485
335 Cast Performance WLN-GC Hodgdon H-110 26.5 1511
Sheesh! My wrists would be swollen and begging for ice before I got through with a couple of cylinders of those top end loads. +1. That's 454 casull territory.....
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They say the action is a lot stronger than most people give it credit for but still no need to push it to the ragged edge. That's completely unproven. There is no reason to believe them stronger than the Colt or USFA SAA. I would load a New Vaquero no higher than the common "Tier II" 21-22,000psi. The "action" on the New Vaquero, (whatever that means), is likely as strong as the older models, the issue is that the cylinder window is smaller requiring a smaller cylinder with less steel to withstand higher pressures, and that is significant. Standard Colt .45 cylinders are rather pathetic. That being said, some effective loadings are possible at the lower pressure and is usually what I run with. Performance is determined more by bullet style and weight and those are very effective at lower velocity...effective enough for me. Higher velocity just gives a bit more range. Those wimpy 300gr loads hit the 450 yard gong pretty hard at that.
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The throats on this 45 are perfect. Could someone please help me out with the specifics of this pistol? The way I load nowadays, I can tell little difference between the performance of the two cartridges. My days of pushing the outer limits of are in the rvm. So when I’m picking it is usually done because of the platform rather than the cartridge. I do rather enjoy the S&W N frames and wish they produced more variety in 45colt, but it is what it is. So when I’m looking at DA it is usually 44mag when SA it is generally 45colt. That being said I do have a dandy 25-5 that I have owned for over 30 years and I covet mightily. AJD You should PM ET for specifics as I could be mistaken. IIRC that is a Georgia Highway Patrol Commemorative model that came out back in the late eighties or nineties. It features an unfluted cylinder in 45 Colt caliber with the 5" barrel and was one of a limited run.
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Thanks for the response EE. I didn't recognize it. I was always partial to the 5"ers and it looked like one.
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Experience is a great thing as long as one survives it.
Generally, there ain't a lot that separates the two however,
Barely making it is a whole lot more satisfying than barely not making it.
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320 grain DT 44 mag 6" barrel ![[Linked Image]](http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/DSC01629_zpsc7151035.jpg)
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Well, I ended up with a 45 Colt. After listening to the arguments for and against each one (I thought the thread was very civil for the most part BTW) it came down to this; I've owned several 44 Mags in the past but never a 45 Colt. It was really that simple in the end and reason enough for me. After the decision was made I planned on getting a Blackhawk convertible in the Colt/ACP variety but walked in a local gunshop and they had a SS Vaquero .45 Birdshead sitting on the shelf and it was calling my name. I've always wanted a birdshead revolver too and this kills two birds with one stone. I'm thinking this is going to be a fun pistol. ![[Linked Image]](http://photos.imageevent.com/lucky/miscellaneous/large/20160224_153503_resized3.jpg) Thanks for all the replies. There was actually a lot to be learned in those 4 pages. Terry Terry, I'm glad you found something new to dink with and I wouldn't be afraid to load it like a 45 Auto...it will easily kill the stuff you were asking about, no issues. There's a lot of "free horsepower" in the 45 Colt case that comes with a good selection of bullets that use its frontal area with out the noise, racket and recoil. The animals will still tip over.
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If we're pissing over which one's got the more impressive ballistics, let's just move on up to a 454 or 480, or beyond . . .
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CraigC,
If we're pissing over which one's got the more impressive ballistics, let's just move on up to a 454 or 480, or beyond . . . Not pissing. We can't have a discussion about it?
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