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Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) Big Stick #11005384 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana
jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida	A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

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Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) jorgeI #11005409 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 29,786 Land of milk and honey...for s... J JSTUART Campfire Ranger
JSTUART Campfire Ranger J Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 29,786 Land of milk and honey...for s...	Originally Posted by jorgeI Looks a bit like having sex whilst suffering gas and a bad case of the runs. (not sure whether to go for it or tuck it in) These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) OutdoorAg #11005423 03/01/16
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Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) jorgeI #11005424 03/01/16
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,467 B Bluemonday Campfire Regular
Bluemonday Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,467	Originally Posted by jorgeI Way cool but how many night HAHO's from 25K ya got?

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) heavywalker #11005432 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 29,786 Land of milk and honey...for s... J JSTUART Campfire Ranger
JSTUART Campfire Ranger J Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 29,786 Land of milk and honey...for s...	Originally Posted by heavywalker Your video is better. These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.

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Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) JSTUART #11005445 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana
jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida	Without a doubt... A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) Bluemonday #11005467 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana
jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida	The Navy probably pays about 2M to train a Naval Aviator, and jumping out of a perfectly good airplane? A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) jorgeI #11005488 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,627 Likes: 26 Bozeman, MT shrapnel Campfire Ranger
shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,627 Likes: 26 Bozeman, MT	How can you tell that is a male aviator? Obviously, he landed on top of the deck...

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) Big Stick #11005560 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,627 Likes: 26 Bozeman, MT shrapnel Campfire Ranger
shrapnel Campfire Ranger Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 24,627 Likes: 26 Bozeman, MT	Originally Posted by Big Stick Shrapnel, The Retard Hemet,Coke Bottles and Schit Rifle connects alotta dots...Drooling Dots. Congratulations?!? Bless your heart. Laughing!..................... I feign my surprise that you would even notice, and I thank you for that. If mice were any easier to bait, I wouldn't even need cheese. "Bigstick" can you spell epic sucker any easier???

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) jorgeI #11005572 03/01/16
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,467 B Bluemonday Campfire Regular
Bluemonday Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,467	Originally Posted by jorgeI The Navy probably pays about 2M to train a Naval Aviator, and jumping out of a perfectly good airplane? You gotta point?

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Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) Bluemonday #11005613 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana
jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida	The training track and time, attrition rate, training costs to mention a few, should clue you in.... Oh, some "short bus" heritage.. Last edited by jorgeI; 03/01/16. A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) OutdoorAg #11005800 03/01/16
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,037 Likes: 6 Michigan K KenMi Campfire Outfitter
KenMi Campfire Outfitter K Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,037 Likes: 6 Michigan	Guys, those jets are way out of his league. It's like talking fluent English to him. He's still on the quest for the 1500 yard ringer. Building a heavyweight 6mm is getting him closer every day, and he's looking mighty proud. Evidently he got within 2 feet on that last shot. Time to hit the reloading bench Last edited by KenMi; 03/01/16.

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) jorgeI #11005846 03/01/16
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Bluemonday Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,467	Originally Posted by jorgeI The training track and time, attrition rate, training costs to mention a few, should clue you in.... It takes three years to train a "junior" SF Medic. He still needs his hand held for a while. I'd wager the ASVAB/GT/IQ range of the avg flyboy and the avg SOF medic are comparable.

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) OutdoorAg #11005876 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana
jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida	Officers don't get that test administered, way too rudimentary. Their criteria is based on academic background (Four year Bachelor's degree at a minimum and in fields not including basketweaving),then aviation gets a test called AQT/FAR. Completely different (and higher) standards. So you'd lose your wager. Incidentally, the highest standards, at least in the Navy for enlisted ranks, Corpsman doesn't even compare to AW (aviation warfare operator) or any of the Nuke rates. Now if you are talking MDs, whole different ball of wax, but to compare medics to Aviators (even Army ones) in terms of requirements, is pretty far fetched... A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) jorgeI #11005923 03/01/16
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Bluemonday Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,467	Originally Posted by jorgeI . Incidentally, the highest standards, at least in the Navy for enlisted ranks, Corpsman doesn't even compare to AW (aviation warfare operator) or any of the Nuke rates. Now if you are talking MDs, whole different ball of wax, but to compare medics to Aviators (even Army ones) in terms of requirements, is pretty far fetched... You know not of what you speak, at all. I've taught TCCC to Navy corpsmen, Seabees are WAY smarter. Comparing a fleet corpsman to an SF medic means you ain't gotta clue. If you actually knew someone with a trident he would quickly disabuse you of that silly notion. The washout rate in the old SF Medic course was several times that of any flyboy course. It was always so high they were continually investigated by TRADOC. The avg IQ of the grads was higher than that of the O's coming out of the SF Q Course. That fact was straight from the USASOC shrink.

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) OutdoorAg #11005953 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana
jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida	Suffice to say, we now have another IDIOT in our midst. I was NOT comparing a "Fleet Corspman" (including those who serve with the FMF and SEAL Teams of course) to SF Medics, merely addressing the initial ENTRY test scores and standards which would not even come close for acceptance into a commissioning source and much less Naval Aviation, but of course you just happen to have the "washout rates" in Naval Aviation at your fingertips. And whist on the subject of Seabees, what particular RATES of Seabees. Please dont make me embarrass you any more, but that perennial chip on your shoulder must get heavy. How tall are you? Edited to add: Incidentally SEALS in the Navy are recruited from ALL rates as well. One might come in as an MM (Machinist Mate) for example,go to A school, do a fleet tour then apply to the SEALS. Then of course, the testing starts. Incidentally, the attrition rate for Aviators from recruiting to a fleet squadron ran about 90% when I went through. Last edited by jorgeI; 03/01/16. A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) jorgeI #11005957 03/01/16
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Rogue Campfire Tracker Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 3,353 State of Jefferson	Originally Posted by jorgeI Officers don't get that test administered, way too rudimentary. Their criteria is based on academic background (Four year Bachelor's degree at a minimum and in fields not including basketweaving),then aviation gets a test called AQT/FAR. Completely different (and higher) standards. So you'd lose your wager. Incidentally, the highest standards, at least in the Navy for enlisted ranks, Corpsman doesn't even compare to AW (aviation warfare operator) or any of the Nuke rates. Now if you are talking MDs, whole different ball of wax, but to compare medics to Aviators (even Army ones) in terms of requirements, is pretty far fetched... Army Roto wingers are required to have a 110 GT score. So are Army enlisted 68W's (basic medics)...

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) Rogue #11005994 03/01/16
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Bluemonday Campfire Regular B Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,467	Originally Posted by Rogue Army Roto wingers are required to have a 110 GT score. So are Army enlisted 68W's (basic medics)... [/quote] Same as is required to even put in paperwork for SFAS. Whore-hey (like that new spellin'?), you really should have run for publik orifice. Anyone with the audacity to say stuff in one post and deny it in the next would make Robspierre proud.

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) Rogue #11006024 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana
jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida	Originally Posted by Rogue Originally Posted by jorgeI Officers don't get that test administered, way too rudimentary. Their criteria is based on academic background (Four year Bachelor's degree at a minimum and in fields not including basketweaving),then aviation gets a test called AQT/FAR. Completely different (and higher) standards. So you'd lose your wager. Incidentally, the highest standards, at least in the Navy for enlisted ranks, Corpsman doesn't even compare to AW (aviation warfare operator) or any of the Nuke rates. Now if you are talking MDs, whole different ball of wax, but to compare medics to Aviators (even Army ones) in terms of requirements, is pretty far fetched... Army Roto wingers are required to have a 110 GT score. So are Army enlisted 68W's (basic medics)... Two entirely different testing systems sir. The Navy's and the USAF's are similar. There is NO VEHICLE for an enlisted person to make the jump right into Aviator training in any of the Sea Services (Navy trains them all) or the USAF. A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

Re: Help: Ammo won't chamber!! (but brass will...) Bluemonday #11006037 03/01/16
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana
jorgeI Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 42,631 Likes: 2 Orange Park, Florida	Your understanding of the English language at least tells me you'd be lucky to fill the YOUR NAME part of any serious test. And how tall are you? Where did you go to school? ( I mean college)? Last edited by jorgeI; 03/01/16. A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”

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