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LOL!!! My truck gun only does 0.83596287112MOA, but I deal with it....

Kecatt,

I love your avatar! I was a big Iron Madien fan during my adolescence. (I still throw Piece of Mind in the CD player from time to time!)

Sorry that is the only factory gun and it has been modified besides the Stoners I shoot and all of my other rifles shoot .2 or .3. I have gone towards quality and gotten rid of most of my factory stuff except some rare ones I am keeping for the heck of it. The fit and finish of factory rifles are not what I expect and am willing to pay for perfection--some are not. VERY accurate rifles are what I like especially my competition ones and it is had to win without one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. Once you have experienced perfection it is very hard to step backwards. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Those are some pretty awesome one shot groups there BH... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />


SS

The problem is that Leupold is putting "new features" on these VX7's that the scopes that began pulling sales away from the VXIII's came standard with....fast focus eye piece and truly quick and adjustable turrets. These type turrets need to be standard on VXII and VXIII's instead of the little metal ring with triangle reference that spins....and all of this should be done WITHOUT a price jump. I can understand that these VX7's are hoping to compete with the top of the line Euro HUNTING scopes, but I think Leupold should offer more for the buck and truly be dominant again. Through the past few years they hype up a scope with these "new" little features and then really boost the price on their scopes. I think the VXIII's should at least have turret adjustments that are easily indexed to and from a zero, without having to send a scope in and drop more money on the tactile turrets. I'm all for the M1's but when I see a regular Nikon hunting scope with a solid reference I wonder why Leupold can't do the same. In some cases depending on magnification level objective size, etc. it is just easier to get the Mark 4 series of scopes to get what you want, and yet you're still left feeling like you might have paid a little bit much. I don't think 200 dollars for a TMR reticle is justified nor the extra for illumination.

These new VX7's might compete well against the top of the line euro hunting scopes, but how many of us do you hear talking about swaro and zeiss diavari scopes etc. You don't, we work on functionality. That's why we send in our loopy scopes to get elevation turrets, and want durable and repeatable mechanics within our scopes, etc. When it comes to superior glass conversations it is in reference to binos. Binos primary function is help us see the very best we can and comfortably. We want our scopes to help us see quite clearly, but we really need them to help put our bullet where we want it. I don't know, I just think Leupold could do better at offering a scope that caters to solid funtionality, rather than throwing around light transmission specs, and anodized splatter paint options.

I just picked up Edward the Great. If you get a chance, get it. You won't be disappointed....

Sorry for the thread hijack......please proceed.....

Stoked_C
You make some very good points.
S&B and Zeiss both offer BDCs.Premier Reticles is now offering custom reticles for S&Bs.lupies loss is S&Bs gain.
I think that Leupold is a little out of touch.But dont worrie.They will be back.Its a corporate thing.
dave <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Im curious to see what the lil fairies from the north have to say about em. Those two have been awful quiet on this one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Don

I do miss Premier....

Why couldn't one of those be a 6x24.56 or some thing close. I want more power then 4.5x18. What an odd ball for 1,799 bucks.IOR Night Force,Zeiss all have nothing to worry about. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

My gripe is I can have a NF with a etched lit reticle of my choice and awesome glass for less price. The buying market will decide if it's worthy or not.

Eddie

I don't like the trend towards 30mm tubes, makes the scopes too bulky. I spoiled the handling qualities of a Savage .250 99F by putting a big Steiner on it, the optics of these thick tube scopes may in some cases be a hair better than the 1" but IMO the improvement is not worth it. And they also ruin the looks of a rifle, for a horrible example check out gunsamerica.com 976782353, picture 2.

30mm tubes can look bulky at times but I like them when objective lens' are larger than 40mm. I like to match the scope to the rifle.

if you use the new fx iii 6x42 as a benchmark, it's hard to justify the spending of 3 or 4x.

I'd still like to have a vx7 but don't see spending the money soon.

30mm tubes offer nothing more than more adjustment. That's it.

Todd:

basically ... you're right ... however, there are a couple more things that bear mentioning if we're going over the attributes of a 30mm tube ...

They do offer a healthier adjustment range, which helps a lot with long range shooting, as well as minimizing problems with improperly drilled and tapped holes in the receiver that cause the scope to mount off the bore axis by more than a reasonably acceptable tolerance. They also are more rugged, due to the heavier section of tubing. Also, some people tend to find that the 30mm tubed scopes are more aesthetically pleasing. I, for one, fall into that category, especially when the objective is larger than 40mm ... to me, there's nothing more odd looking than a 1" tube with a 50mm objective ... while optically and mechanically it works just fine, I think its appearance is awkward at best ...

There is one more thing that a 30mm tubed scope CAN offer, but rarely does ... and that is, if/when a scope maker decides to use a larger erector assembly in the 30mm tube, it allows the lenses to be larger. If you're familiar with the internals of a scope, you'll know that the reason the 30mm tube normally gives more windage and elevation adjustment is because the mfg's use the same (size) erector assy in the 30mm scope as they do in their 1" scopes ... this gives more clearance around the assy, allowing more room for movement. If you increase the size (diameter) of the erector assy in the 30mm tube, you lose that added adjustment range, but you allow for the larger lenses to be used in the assy. What this does, from a technical standpoint, is let's you get better quality lenses more easily, resulting in less distortion and higher resolution ... which results in your eye getting a "better" image, which can seem to be brighter as well, even if it's technically not any brighter.

So anyway, there's more than just "added adjustement range" when considering a 30mm tubed scope ... and as always, it's not so much a matter of right vs. wrong ... it's a matter of weighing the positives and negatives of any given system, and figuring out which benefit you, and which are a detriment... then it becomes exponentially easier to make a decison regarding what's right for you and your uses.

You might be right about that. I will say that I have a Leica 3.5-10x (30mm tube) on my favorite, veteran 300 Win. Mag., and it's been an excellent scope. The mounts were built to bring the scope as low as possible to the rifle, and as a result it doesn't look all that bulky. So I guess I'm saying that a 30mm tube doesn't really hurt anything if you can make it work with an individual rifle.

I've got another rifle in process right now, and I'll seriously consider a VX7 for it once I've had a chance to look one over..........

AD

I sure wish Leica would get back into the scope making business.... I would buy one!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sorry, but if I were going to spend that kind of money on a scope I'd go directly to the best out there, Schmidt & Bender.