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Phil,
My computer doesn't have enough resolution for me to tell, but is that dark spot behind the orbital arch a bullet hole?
Thanks!
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I think either bullet would work fine, but I've always loved the results of Nosler Partitions so well that I'd pick the Nosler. I have not tried TSX's on game yet, even though I have lots of boxes of them and I never reach for them when I'm handloading. (They'll probably go on my estate sale.)
Both Phil and MD are way more experienced in big animals than me and I'd take either of their words.
I'm struggling with which rifle to take on a planned grizzly bear hunt, but I think the fiberglass stocked 350 will work fine. Most of my rifles are wood stocked and that is the biggest consideration for me.
I prefer classic.
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I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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Bugger,
TSX's are great bullets too, one reason I just restocked my supply of 270-grain .375's. They're often (but not always) more accurate than Partitions, though I generally try both in any particular rifle--and a little difference in accuracy doesn't make any practical difference when hunting large, dangerous animals at typical ranges.
You can also drop down some in weight when using TSX's, or similar monlithich bullets, whether Hornady GMX's or Nosler E-Tips. Just yesterday I worked up a new elk load for my wife's .308 Winchester, using the 130 Tipped TSX, which shot great. Since she killed her last elk (a cow) with no problem with one 100-grain TTSX from a .257 Roberts, I know she'd do just fine on any sort of bull with another 30-grains of bullet!
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Doc,
Thanks for the kind words on LOTH. That musk ox trip was a very interesting hunt, in several ways....
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Doc,
Thanks for the kind words on LOTH. That musk ox trip was a very interesting hunt, in several ways.... Did your guide ever mention a back-up plan for the 22 mag and did he ever have things go south? Walking up to a polar bear takes some big brass balls. I don't doubt he had them, though.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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He did his polar bear killing in late fall and early spring, while taking his wife and kids on a 1000-mile round-trip in a snowmobile pulling a covered sled each year. He and his wife lived in Gjoa Haven, a village on Cambridge Island in the Arctic Ocean, and his wife had a sister who lived in Rankin Inlet, another village on Hudson's Bay.
As soon as the ice formed on the ocean, they'd load up and head out, dropping off fuel cans full of gas in caches along the way, with meat from caribou they killed. He'd also set traps for Arctic fox, wolverine, and wolves, but when he spotted a bear would make a stalk. As I recall he got a bear on most trips, but I don't know if he also brought along a .30-30 (his "big" rifle) in case of emergencies. He didn't mention it, but had killed polar bears with the .30-30, which is how he knew it made too big a hole in the hide, which cost him money when he sold the hide, even after his wife sewed up the hole neatly.
After visiting in Rankin Inlet for a while, they'd head back, using the gas and caribou meat cached on the way over, and pick up the frozen carcasses in the traps.
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John Steinbeck
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Bravery is finding a polar bear's hole in the ice, then laying peas around the hole. When he comes up to take a pea, you kick him in the ice hole. Sort of like counting coup, I guess.
Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
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He did his polar bear killing in late fall and early spring, while taking his wife and kids on a 1000-mile round-trip in a snowmobile pulling a covered sled each year. He and his wife lived in Gjoa Haven, a village on Cambridge Island in the Arctic Ocean, and his wife had a sister who lived in Rankin Inlet, another village on Hudson's Bay. ..................
Interesting stuff..... Ever read "Kabloona" by Gontran de Poncins? I believe the (very interesting) tales were centered around that area most of a century ago. Fascinating living.
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He did his polar bear killing in late fall and early spring, while taking his wife and kids on a 1000-mile round-trip in a snowmobile pulling a covered sled each year. He and his wife lived in Gjoa Haven, a village on Cambridge Island in the Arctic Ocean, and his wife had a sister who lived in Rankin Inlet, another village on Hudson's Bay.
As soon as the ice formed on the ocean, they'd load up and head out, dropping off fuel cans full of gas in caches along the way, with meat from caribou they killed. He'd also set traps for Arctic fox, wolverine, and wolves, but when he spotted a bear would make a stalk. As I recall he got a bear on most trips, but I don't know if he also brought along a .30-30 (his "big" rifle) in case of emergencies. He didn't mention it, but had killed polar bears with the .30-30, which is how he knew it made too big a hole in the hide, which cost him money when he sold the hide, even after his wife sewed up the hole neatly.
After visiting in Rankin Inlet for a while, they'd head back, using the gas and caribou meat cached on the way over, and pick up the frozen carcasses in the traps.
That is fascinating, John. I'd love to talk to a guy like that for a couple hours.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Doc,
Thanks for the kind words on LOTH. That musk ox trip was a very interesting hunt, in several ways.... I'm sure it was! Meeting David not the least! Alas, I have shared hunts with the equivalent of John from New York a time or two myself.
"I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars
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I'm late to the discussion, but it seems silly to debate whether a 7mag with a premium bullet is good enough for a guided bear hunt. It wouldn't be my first choice, but I dang sure wouldn't stay home if it was all I had. I'd load up the heaviest A-Frames I could find and go hunting.
Don't just be a survivor, be a competitor.
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a 223 AI and Noslers of course... 
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bellydeep,
One of the best parts of hunting various places in the world is the people you meet. I've spent a lot of time among the Inuits on northern hunts in Canada, and while they've always been fascinating times (including a beluga whale hunt on Hudson's Bay) spending a week with David was one of the most interesting experiences. We hit it off very well, and talked a lot, though his English isn't the best in the world. But have also found that it's amazing how well two hunters can communicate, even if they speak very little of each other's language!
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bellydeep,
One of the best parts of hunting various places in the world is the people you meet. I've spent a lot of time among the Inuits on northern hunts in Canada, and while they've always been fascinating times (including a beluga whale hunt on Hudson's Bay) spending a week with David was one of the most interesting experiences. We hit it off very well, and talked a lot, though his English isn't the best in the world. But have also found that it's amazing how well two hunters can communicate, even if they speak very little of each other's language! I can imagine that.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Doc,
That story of the musk ox trip was originally published in GRAY'S SPORTING JOURNAL. After a friend read it, he called me and said, "Is that guy's name ---- -----?" When I said it was, he said, "It had to be! I met him once."
It turned out my friend had been on a safari somewhere in Africa. One day he and his PH had driven by another camp during mid-day, on their way to somewhere else. The two PH's knew each other, so my friend and his PH were asked to stay for lunch.
The client in camp turned out to be none other than my musk ox hunting "partner." My friend only spent about 45 minutes with him, but after reading my description knew it had to be same guy....
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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But that was back in the day when hunters understood the importance of shot placement, and took the time to learn to do it !
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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About seventeen years ago I went on a caribou hunt in Alaska. One day I asked the guide what caliber would be a good choice for brown bear.
He replied, "What difference would it make? As soon as you shoot there will be three guys shooting the bear until it goes down"
I kind of lost interest after that.
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I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger!
There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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But that was back in the day when hunters understood the importance of shot placement, and took the time to learn to do it ! Ha!
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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