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There're lots of things in our lives, in the world, and in the universe, that aren't mentioned in scripture.

Ive never dreamt about someone/something I didn't know.....or places I did not know.....

7 seconds. I can't even put an AED on someone in 7 seconds and have it go through its paces.....

I don't even know for sure, that in an ER, if the pads where there, could they charge em to shock someone in 7 seconds....

I have. In fact I'm certain I've never met a zombie.

I hear Italian hell is the WORSE. You are stuck in an Irish bar for eternity and every day is St. Paddy's Day.

Kinda wish I was Italian...

I have dremt about many people and places I've never visited nor seen.

Easily.

I once dreamed of a girl who I hadn't seen in years. We weren't all that close before she moved. I knew no one who knew her. There was no reason for me to even think about her, much less dream about her. The very next day, I practically ran into her walking down the street. I've tried to explain that one my whole life.

JoeBob, I had an experience last year that simply defied coincidence. I've only shared it with a few close friends. It was WEIRD. Rattled me pretty good.

I am not an a-spiritual person. Is that a word? However, when talking of things in the paranormal realm, like heaven and hell, I approach it from a skeptical viewpoint, largely because much of not MOST of "religion" is just such blatant pandering to what folks want to believe, in addition to serving the interests of those in charge of said religions and/or the governments in league with those religions.

Jeff, The fact you use "spiritual-person" and religious interchangeably is indicative of a very confused person. Some of the most spiritual people I've known had little use for organized religion. Conversely, some of the most religious people I've known were the least "spiritual" most hollow souls. Organized religion has done a lot of bad PR because of mans greed. Please don't turn your back on God and his spiritual creation because of church and the folks that take up space in its pews. I grew up in church but over time and experience I realized my relationship with God was a personal one. One that didn't require other people present nor my attendance in church. I rarely attend church in the usual sense but when I'm on the ocean or in the mountains I'm as close to God as I've ever been. Certainly I'm closer than I am when sitting next to hypocrites and cheaters.

In any case I hope you'll find the spirituality that I believe to be an important component to the human animal. Let go of the disdain for religion and seek God.

Aces, I think we are on the same page. It's quite possible to be spiritual without being dogmatically religious.

My comment had to do with the concepts of heaven and hell, as presented to us by a religion. Those who are in the business of selling religion would have a hard time moving their product if it didn't include such features as "an eternity of blissful afterlife with those you love!" and "72 virgins!" and so on... and those in the business of control would find it more difficult without the notion of a fiery lake of eternal suffering for disbelievers. And of course, those in the business of selling religion are usually, not always, but usually, also in the business of control.

So..... when something is put forth as PROOF of heaven or hell, it carries that baggage.

Back on topic.... I'd bet the farm that if the brains of those folks suffering these arrhythmias and "dying" were hooked up to those gadgets that show neural activity, they'd scan as anything BUT dead. They'd be lit up like an Xmas tree, and I'd venture, very similarly to how they light up if they were having a seizure.

Jeff, read the book cited in the OP and then get back to me on that bet.

Oh, and can I get some details on the size of your farm, acreage, water, soil conditions, buildings, etc? I want to start planning early.

Interesting, they claim some folks dream more and more vividly. I rarely dream IE that I can recall and as far as I can recall i've never dreamed about a place or person I do not or have not known.

The dreams have been doing some weird things as I recall, but the folks and places I knew.

Doc, you don't want the farm. One big pain in the butt. The shop needs a new roof, the barn stalls need shoveled out, the chickens are in full rebellion over getting their wings clipped to keep them out of the garden, and the Missus is a slave driver.

I was referring specifically to the case you mention of the "lights out defib"... is that what the book refers to?

antelope_sniper,

A guy I knew when I was a kid went to Africa. He met a witch doctor and they became friends. The witch doctor was old and became very ill so they put him on a bed or pallet. After awhile, even though he was extremely weak and almost dead, he raised himself up a little with his elbows and tried to push himself away from the foot of his pallet. He screamed out,
“Help me! Help me! My feet are sliding into the fire! Help me! Now my legs are in the fire!” With those words, he collapsed and died.

This happened in the mid 1950's before missionaries went there. One could correctly or incorrectly assume he never heard of Hell.

Christians have been in Africa for a long time. Your American friend was in his location, you think that in 1950 he was the first White person to meet this Witch Doctor?

Based on your story it sounds like they were speaking English? I"m not seeing much to support your supposition he'd never heard of Hell.

Roost,

I think this may be another example of times when attempting to extend our experiences to others may lead us astray. As another example, I dream in color, but others claim to only dream in black and white.

As for how often do we dream, some scientist believe we have a tendency to remember our dreams more when we do not complete a full REM cycle. The better you sleep, the less you remember. Perhaps you are have a tendency to sleep well most nights?

AS
Paul spoke the language. He translated into English for me and I quoted his English.

Roost,

I think this may be another example of times when attempting to extend our experiences to others may lead us astray. As another example, I dream in color, but others claim to only dream in black and white.

As for how often do we dream, some scientist believe we have a tendency to remember our dreams more when we do not complete a full REM cycle. The better you sleep, the less you remember. Perhaps you are have a tendency to sleep well most nights? [/quote]

I dont' sleep well at all. I rarely ever get more than an hour at a time. If I get 3 hours at one time I am extremely thankful.

I have no clue about color, I suppose since I don't have a clue its black and white?

Who knows I may dream something tonight where I dont' know the folks or the place.

Funny seems like my dreams are always something thats happened, something that will happen or is planned in the future or at weirdest, folks and places that I know, but don't add up, IE the scenario isn't planned or has not happened...

Lots of folks have good reason to not acknowledge or to be dismissive on the subject of hell. But, it's real, whether you like it or not.