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gunner500,



Your post almost made me laugh. My friends name was Paul. Even if he told me his witch doctor friends name I would not remember it.

Like the notion that someone blow up a bunch of people that think differently then themselves, and be rewarded with an eternity in Paradise?

What could possibly go wrong with that?

There's been a lot of evil in modern world history that had nothing to do with the notion of an immortal soul...the regimes of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot...where many millions were killed during each regime, and 2 World Wars...where many millions were killed during each war. None of it had anything to do with the notion of an immortal soul.

I did not say it was the root of all evil, just demonstrated one common failing of that mode of thinking.

As for the regimes you mention, I'll say you are making a good case for small, limited government.

That is their description of Hell, from their pamphlet. They believe that in the end, except for a certain number that is listed in the Bible, that heaven for the rest will be here on earth. I don't know much about the religion but did look over some pamphlets while sitting and watching a GPS unit for long periods of time. Boredom will make you do things like that. miles

How many billions of people on our earth maintain a notion of an immortal soul, and what percentage of those billions are 'blowing up a buncha people who think differently than them so they can be rewarded in an afterlife'...and then show us how you've "demonstrated" that doing so is a "common failing of that mode of thinking"...?

The show was worth a second look. As a lifelong Agnostic who believes what he see in nature, but knows he will never understand it all; I had hoped the the NDE people were on to something.

Science never has all the answers. There was little in the show to explain NDE of kids. But there is a preponderance of evidence explaining what happens to the mind when the brain begins to shut down.

One evil I will cite, inherent in the notion of an immortal soul, is that of being separate and discrete rather than being a part of "what is".

I am proud and in awe of where I'm from, profoundly grateful for the run I'm getting, and it will be my great honor to give myself back to "what is" for recycling.

A common core "religious" belief, so core that that it's often hard for folks to even SEE it in themselves, is that they are this special little being with someone watching over them and the world is revolving around THEM. Evil lies therein. I don't believe that. I came from a place of beauty, and someday, I get to return to it! That's a scientific fact, no God required, yet it's a profoundly calming viewpoint, if understood and accepted.

mid to late september so far generally... June/July gets hot in the tents at times.

What "common core religious belief" are you exposed to..."so core"...that those practitioners of it feel as if "the world is revolving around THEM"...?

Sleeping good in the north country is attributed to low RBC counts and hypovolemia. Mosquitoes are perhaps natures tryptophan...

Me too

Let's deal with the core of Christianity for a moment.

God created the entire Universe, billions of Galaxies, each with billions of starts, so he could have a relationship with one primate species on one spec of dirt. Keep in mind for centuries this narcissism extended to a belief that the earth was the center of the universe. God has the entire Universe to tend to, yet Christians believe God cares about with whom you sleep with, an in what positions, and if you paid the right priest for the right appropriations ahead of time.

The core belief Jeff speaks of is the narcissist belief that you are so special, the creator of all this, that looks just like you, somehow wants or needs a personal relationship with YOU.

He's a white, American Christian...of course he has the 'right god', dontcha know?

What I was referring to in the nights are pretty short that time of year. But we catch up on our sleep during winter. --- Mel

Well said, Sniper.

Further, Occam tells us that the simpler explanation of observed events is usually the correct one. What could possibly be more convoluted than our mainstream, established religions? And further still, common sense dictates that when an explanation or description of observed reality is utterly self-serving, it's very likely to be just a human construct that is being used to placate otherwise difficult realities.

Doncha know, the 'Universe' as you described it is the same red herring that God created, like the fossil record, to test the faith of true believers.

Jeff_O,



Scentific fact is established by observation, testing, verification, repeatablity. What you have posted is a self serving ignorant opinion. I use the work ignorant because you have not died and come back to tell us a TRUE observation.

antelope_sniper,



This shows your lack of education of the Christian faith. You listen to or read only those who agree with your position. The reason the universe appears to be infinite to us finites is for the God of the Bible to show us His Infinite Intelligent Energy is beyond mere mortal's concept. God's Word tells us He spans the stars with His right hand.

You want us to believe everything came from nothing which became something, all by itself. And this nothing which became something produced conscienceness in humans who somehow randomly believe in morality and beauty. You are constantly willfully ignorant of the basic scientific concept of an effect can not be equal to or greater than its cause.

I have only gone back a couple of pages and feel pretty much un-inspired by the thread.

That said...anything ringman has to say will be bull-[bleep], and the rest of it boils down to "there is God, or there is not God", the choice is yours alone and who gives a toss what any other believes on the subject.

If ringman says it is daylight at 11.00 am then it would pay to walk outside and check because it is London to a brick the bastard is wrong.

Jeff_O,



You bring up an interesting idea. Based on Occam's razor tell us which is a better explanation. Crick and Watson discovered the DNA molecule. Because they just can't abide the Creator they invented "pan sprmia" to explains it presents to on earth. That is spacemen brought it. That of course begs the question, where did they come from and adinfinitum... or to believe in the scientific concept of cause and effect? That is an Infinite Being, beyond your comprehension called it all into existence by His Personal Power.