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Spent a good amount of time with my youngest this weekend, a lot of it outside just enjoying spring and a good bit of thinking about things as well.
We bequeath to our children this world. What we're leaving them today is a damned mess. A kid born in 2016 would have parents born in the 70s or 80s, grandparents born in the 50s or 60s, great-grandparents born in the 30s or 40s, and great-great-grandparents born in the 10s or 20s. To be blunt, that entire lineage back to and only excepting maybe part of the great-great-grandparent generations has screwed this place up royally and that's what we are leaving our kids.
Those born in the 20s fought WWII and saved the world from totalitarianism. Yet, they failed to take out communism, allowed it to get a foothold in the educational systems globally, and they gave birth to and raised the "Boomer" generation.
Those "Boomers" latched onto communism/socialism being taught to them by those their parents didn't get rid of, they were the Hippie generation, and bought in whole hog to this "social justice" horse crap, and failed miserably to recognize or address the rise of militant Islam.
They, then, in turn took the communism/socialism they'd learned and passed it on to their children (GenX and GenY) who now knew a world run by two generations of latent or outright socialist/communists and figured that was the way it was supposed to go. Being coddled and "Spock" raised didn't help, and the whole concept of "equality" spilled over into a view that militant Islam is just a small portion of the Muslim world; that the Muslims aren't really bad, just misunderstood - a complete farce of an idea.
The Millenial generation, have now three generations of communist/socialists running things, and being even more coddled and protected than X or Y grabs back their parent/grandparent concepts of the 60s and wants everything for free (outright socialism) and have very little - if any - concept of Freedom, Liberty, or Responsibility. But, Hell, how could they when the last three generations before them have worked diligently to make sure that such things disappeared under the weight of communist/socialist ideology? They refuse to accept that radical Islam is a dire threat to the entire human population; worrying instead about how they "feel" today about gender and race and being true "social justice warriors".
All those combined decades of a socialist/communist agenda embraced by generations; all that social justice horse schit that we've allowed to continue; all that denial of the threats in the world, have added up to make this world less safe, less free, less just, and less responsible than it has been in centuries.
This is the world we're leaving kids born today, and I'm not even getting into religion (save castigation of radical Islam) or the natural world or energy. IF, somehow, they manage to un-f'k this place and rekindle concepts of Freedom, Justice (real justice, not that social justice schit), Liberty, Responsibility... well, they'll have to do in in the face of global tyranny not seen since perhaps the days of the Founders. IF, by some Miracle, they manage to do that they'd likely want to leave their living ancestors off to die on their own and go piss on the graves of their dead ancestors.
Ben Franklin once quipped about what kind of government we had then established; "A Republic, if you can keep it". Well, we couldn't. We'd once made the world safe from tyranny, but allowed it to come right back in. We'd once established a system as close to true Justice as had been seen, and we've thrown that away under the guise of political correctness and retribution. Today, if we're honest, we can only hope that our kids somehow figure out what has been lost and a way to get it all back, or in fact, to recreate it anew, because we sure as Hell aren't leaving it to them as we should have.
We've royally f'ked this place up. Sorry, kid...
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Also a grandfather's lament, 4ager. We are all responsible for what we have allowed to happen, particularly those who dont vote. It's hard to look in the mirror and see the real problem.
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Worst thing our grandparents ever did was give women the right to vote...
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Worst thing our grandparents ever did was give women the right to vote... Times change. I trust my grandmother way more to vote responsibly than some female snowflake in community college today.
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...we can only hope that our kids somehow figure out what has been lost and a way to get it all back... Good post. But our kids won't figure out what was lost, because they never had it. Instead they have their liberal/communist education and entitlement.
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Worst thing our grandparents ever did was give women the right to vote... Times change. I trust my grandmother way more to vote responsibly than some female snowflake in community college today. 100%
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Spent a good amount of time with my youngest this weekend, a lot of it outside just enjoying spring and a good bit of thinking about things as well.
We bequeath to our children this world. What we're leaving them today is a damned mess. A kid born in 2016 would have parents born in the 70s or 80s, grandparents born in the 50s or 60s, great-grandparents born in the 30s or 40s, and great-great-grandparents born in the 10s or 20s. To be blunt, that entire lineage back to and only excepting maybe part of the great-great-grandparent generations has screwed this place up royally and that's what we are leaving our kids.
Those born in the 20s fought WWII and saved the world from totalitarianism. Yet, they failed to take out communism, allowed it to get a foothold in the educational systems globally, and they gave birth to and raised the "Boomer" generation.
Those "Boomers" latched onto communism/socialism being taught to them by those their parents didn't get rid of, they were the Hippie generation, and bought in whole hog to this "social justice" horse crap, and failed miserably to recognize or address the rise of militant Islam.
They, then, in turn took the communism/socialism they'd learned and passed it on to their children (GenX and GenY) who now knew a world run by two generations of latent or outright socialist/communists and figured that was the way it was supposed to go. Being coddled and "Spock" raised didn't help, and the whole concept of "equality" spilled over into a view that militant Islam is just a small portion of the Muslim world; that the Muslims aren't really bad, just misunderstood - a complete farce of an idea.
The Millenial generation, have now three generations of communist/socialists running things, and being even more coddled and protected than X or Y grabs back their parent/grandparent concepts of the 60s and wants everything for free (outright socialism) and have very little - if any - concept of Freedom, Liberty, or Responsibility. But, Hell, how could they when the last three generations before them have worked diligently to make sure that such things disappeared under the weight of communist/socialist ideology? They refuse to accept that radical Islam is a dire threat to the entire human population; worrying instead about how they "feel" today about gender and race and being true "social justice warriors".
All those combined decades of a socialist/communist agenda embraced by generations; all that social justice horse schit that we've allowed to continue; all that denial of the threats in the world, have added up to make this world less safe, less free, less just, and less responsible than it has been in centuries.
This is the world we're leaving kids born today, and I'm not even getting into religion (save castigation of radical Islam) or the natural world or energy. IF, somehow, they manage to un-f'k this place and rekindle concepts of Freedom, Justice (real justice, not that social justice schit), Liberty, Responsibility... well, they'll have to do in in the face of global tyranny not seen since perhaps the days of the Founders. IF, by some Miracle, they manage to do that they'd likely want to leave their living ancestors off to die on their own and go piss on the graves of their dead ancestors.
Ben Franklin once quipped about what kind of government we had then established; "A Republic, if you can keep it". Well, we couldn't. We'd once made the world safe from tyranny, but allowed it to come right back in. We'd once established a system as close to true Justice as had been seen, and we've thrown that away under the guise of political correctness and retribution. Today, if we're honest, we can only hope that our kids somehow figure out what has been lost and a way to get it all back, or in fact, to recreate it anew, because we sure as Hell aren't leaving it to them as we should have.
We've royally f'ked this place up. Sorry, kid... My son and daughter came in this weekend for a festival here in South Louisiana and I was thinking many of the same things. I feel like I need to warn them and then tell them I'm sorry for the country I've left for them.
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Worst thing our grandparents ever did was give women the right to vote... I know a lot of very smart women and some that aren't...... just like men!
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I've tried - by my votes. But, I've been out-voted in most elections since 1973.
Especially locally - the Dem's rule!
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon.
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Worst thing our grandparents ever did was give women the right to vote... Times change. I trust my grandmother way more to vote responsibly than some female snowflake in community college today. That may be true but because the young lady of today makes bad choices in voting is exactly why AJ's post is also true. More truth is the error in allowing those without skin in the game a right to vote.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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It will probably require a massive reduction in this planet's human population to wake up the remainder.
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Yep, life sucks.
..and then you die.
“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”
― G. Orwell
"Why can't men kill big game with the same cartridges women and kids use?"
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Good post... A few thoughts. First, on s purely selfish and practical level, the current dismal state of young people in America makes it easy pickings for a hard working kid with some genetic gifts of smarts... which I presume Mrs. 4ager has passed along.  Second, sports. Get your kids in sports guys. Start early, keep them engaged. Good for the body, but just as importantly, it's perhaps the one remaining meritocracy left for them to experience. Yeah, it's sometimes watered down- the merit aspect- but the kids know what's up. And by high school all the BS "participation" stuff is gone and it's all about hard work and effort. Do what it takes to keep them in sports. My youngest didn't like basketball (the horror!) so I bribed her a dollar a point and got her grandparents to match.... that's $3/point... That SPEAKS to a high school kid! She made varsity as a sophomore and was Defensive MVP of her team this year and 2nd-team all league. Third, and to continue the above line of thought, fight dirty. Don't get hung up on purist ideals. Sure, you'd like your kids to be self-motivated and focused (talking middle school/high school now) for grades, but they may not be, or might have stages where they are tending to lose focus. One bad term screws up their GPA... So bribe the little [bleep]. I paid $20 an "A" with a $100 bonus for straight A's and a dollar per hundredth of a GPA point over a 4.0. Is it philosophically pure? Aww hell no! Did it work? Yep! Youngest graduates in a month as salutatorian with a 4.28 GPA (valedictorian has a 4.29) achieved while also earning 11 varsity letters. I'm not so sure that creeping socialism per se is the real problem. More and more people is, as is the onslaught of what I shall summarize as "Twitter mind". When I was a kid we ran around the desert shooting stuff or tearing things up on dirt bikes or whatever. Kids now are inside the house, playing games, usually with multiple screens going. It's SO FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT from our "mindset" (literally) as children in the 60's and 70's that its unfathomable to me what the ramifications will be... but they WILL be. Finally, not to be underestimated as a factor is that we've been living the luxury of cheap, available energy. That will change, just a question of when. The end of the Petro Era will knock some sense back into people in general, but it's gonna be flat ugly, and it would've been better not to lose that sense in the first place.
The CENTER will hold.
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Traditional value numbers have probably been fairly steady, meaning kids and young adults that work hard, play hard, want freedoms and opportunities are still there... but...
The others are out breeding, out immigrating, out lazying us, out socialisting us into another type of society.
Should have banged hippie chicks and turned them from the dark side way back when... didn't seem appealing at the time.
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Yep, life sucks.
..and then you die. Actually, life doesn't suck at all. Life is pretty damned good, and the only reason it ain't better is because I just don't realize how damned good it really is. However, none of that changes the fact that we (collective we as addressed in the OP) are leaving our kids and their kids a very f'ked up world; one that we (again, collective we) f'ked up. That's not what should have been done, and damned sure not what posterity deserves. And, yep, everyone dies.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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not all turn out bad, out of the nine or so grandkids in my pod, couple of them are allstar by any stretch. And they grew up really poor, ribs showing poor, at various points.
My heir apparent as i like to call him is just about ready to graduate from a very well known school, 15 admitted per year drawing from all over the world, with a second masters in aeronautical engineering.
What he has been doing is aw inspiring.
Some of the others, not so much.
I came of age in the 60's, and i was not a hippy, just a redneck kid from a small town. My father died two months before college. Yes it took be 7years to get through, i have proably 250college hours or so, and have survived in a career that 95% of those in it don't survive five years. And its about 100 or so interviews to the one selected to be employed.
The OP's remarks are correct however, and i see it around me all the time. General society sucks.
And so does the motivation and drive of the young ones.
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I was just discussing some of this with the contractor doing my kitchen. His step daughter just graduated college and is a Bern Baby Bern girl. Has lots of college debt, her parents pay her car note and grandparents pay her cell phone, but she's an INDEPENDENT woman.
I told him, 'that's how we are in the mess we are in now'.
Well meaning parents doing for their kids. Kids that don't appreciate and expect stuff, yet the parents continue to do for them. I told him if she were mine she'd learn what the word INDEPENDENT meant.
The ENEMY so very often are the conservative, hard working parents that won't allow their children to fail.
It's a shame really.
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No doubt that much of the upcoming generations problem reside upon mom & dads feet.
Glad my wife didn't mind being a biotch[and forced me to be a bastid if I had to be] when needed during child raising years.
Doing it right during their first 20 years sure as hell does make our next 20 more enjoyable!
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I was just discussing some of this with the contractor doing my kitchen. His step daughter just graduated college and is a Bern Baby Bern girl. Has lots of college debt, her parents pay her car note and grandparents pay her cell phone, but she's an INDEPENDENT woman.
I told him, 'that's how we are in the mess we are in now'.
Well meaning parents doing for their kids. Kids that don't appreciate and expect stuff, yet the parents continue to do for them. I told him if she were mine she'd learn what the word INDEPENDENT meant.
The ENEMY so very often are the conservative, hard working parents that won't allow their children to fail.
It's a shame really. Spot on, of course we all want to give our kids the best but damn if it doesn't come at a huge cost. Here we are as parents and we want our kids to have everything we didn't and we make sure they get it, yet we act surprised when those same kids grow up with no work ethic and a sense of entitlement.
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Exactly right. When I turned 18 dad told me, 'Your turn' and I've paid my way for the entirety of my life.
Parent's need to teach the skills, not pay for the 'shiet'.
I find it embarrassing how many adults that have parents still paying for crap. Hell, how many adults that are living with their parents.
Here's a hint, the ONLY reason an adult should live with their parents is to take care of them in their old age/sickness.
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