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Trump has millions of $$ invested in overseas businesses.
But he makes campaign promises that he's going to create trade wars that will raise consumer prices enough that jobs will come home.
Which would cost him a ton of income.
Everybody has to choose whether they believe a candidate or not for themselves.
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But he makes campaign promises that he's going to create trade wars.
That's a lie. Why can't you Cruz supporters discuss the election without lying?
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Trump has millions of $$ invested in overseas businesses.
But he makes campaign promises that he's going to create trade wars that will raise consumer prices enough that jobs will come home.
Which would cost him a ton of income.
Everybody has to choose whether they believe a candidate or not for themselves. If jobs come home, cell phone prices will be more, most consumer stuff now made is sweat shops all over the world will cost more. Will that be a "tax" on American consumers to strengthen the local economy? Not sure, but will it be worth it if it does? Could be inflationary. Our whole economy, the world economy for that matter, is fragile, a house of cards if you will. Do we try shoring up our end, or ride it into the ground? Doing nothing may not be the best option. Letting Muzzies infiltrate and blow us up doesn't look to me like a smart move. Letting our military become a P.C. social experiment may not be a good option. Socialism doesn't work anywhere, hasn't worked anywhere historically, why push it here? What's wrong with America First? Lots of complicated questions, all with consequences. BUT, we need to change direction or we're going into the Abyss... America is still a great country, hopefully great enough to make necessary corrections before it's too late. The jury is still out... IMO, DF
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But he makes campaign promises that he's going to create trade wars. That's a lie. Why can't you Cruz supporters discuss the election without lying? How's it a lie? You really have no idea at all of what Trump is for or against, do you? Just gobbling up the little sound bites of how awesome life will be. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-trade-idUSKCN0WQ0WGTrump's tariff plan could boomerang, spark trade wars with China, Mexico WASHINGTON | By David Lawder and Roberta Rampton
Donald Trump's threats to slap steep tariffs on Chinese and Mexican imports may have won him votes in Republican primaries but they would likely backfire, severely disrupting U.S. manufacturers that increasingly depend on global supply chains.
The Republican presidential front-runner's campaign pledges to impose 45 percent tariffs on all imports from China and 35 percent on many goods from Mexico would spark financial market turmoil and possibly even a recession, former trade negotiators, trade lawyers, economists and business executives told Reuters.
"I don't mind trade wars when we're losing $58 billion a year," Trump said in a Feb. 25 debate, referring to the 2015 U.S. goods trade deficit with Mexico. Economists dispute the idea the United States is "losing" money as the trade deficit is simply the difference between what the United States imports and what it exports to a country.
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Sorry if I missed it, but isn't Mr. Trump in fact a globalist? Trump is a businessman who is running for President on a Nationalist/Populist platform. Globalists are politicians who want to flood America with illegal aliens and Muslim refugees. I think you're right on with that summary. I'm a conservative, Trump isn't a conservative. I liked Dr. Ben and Cruz, both conservatives. But, I'm a realist. Trump brings some things to the table that are needed, namely a revolt against the status quo. That movement transcends party lines as seen with the Bernie phenomenon. Hopefully, Trump can mobilize some those folks and pull off a win. Not sure if that will happen, but it's possible. Pundits and pollsters are often wrong, using data and formulas from past election cycles that are no long relevant. Few understand or will admit to what's going on, as it erodes their power bases and positions. The media have a dog in this hunt, don't believe they don't. Interesting times. DF Good post.
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Trump has millions of $$ invested in overseas businesses.
But he makes campaign promises that he's going to create trade wars that will raise consumer prices enough that jobs will come home.
Which would cost him a ton of income.
Everybody has to choose whether they believe a candidate or not for themselves. If jobs come home, cell phone prices will be more, most consumer stuff now made is sweat shops all over the world will cost more. Will that be a "tax" on American consumers to strengthen the local economy? Not sure, but will it be worth it if it does? Could be inflationary. Our whole economy, the world economy for that matter, is fragile, a house of cards if you will. Do we try shoring up our end, or ride it into the ground? Doing nothing may not be the best option. Letting Muzzies infiltrate and blow us up doesn't look to me like a smart move. Letting our military become a P.C. social experiment may not be a good option. Socialism doesn't work anywhere, hasn't worked anywhere historically, why push it here? What's wrong with America First? Lots of complicated questions, all with consequences. BUT, we need to change direction or we're going into the Abyss... America is still a great country, hopefully great enough to make necessary corrections before it's too late. The jury is still out... IMO, DF Bring the giant scam to an end, and it won't matter if things cost more, because Americans will be prosperous again, and able to afford it, and then some.
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But he makes campaign promises that he's going to create trade wars. That's a lie. Why can't you Cruz supporters discuss the election without lying? How's it a lie? You really have no idea at all of what Trump is for or against, do you? Just gobbling up the little sound bites of how awesome life will be. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-trade-idUSKCN0WQ0WGTrump's tariff plan could boomerang, spark trade wars with China, Mexico WASHINGTON | By David Lawder and Roberta Rampton
Donald Trump's threats to slap steep tariffs on Chinese and Mexican imports may have won him votes in Republican primaries but they would likely backfire, severely disrupting U.S. manufacturers that increasingly depend on global supply chains.
The Republican presidential front-runner's campaign pledges to impose 45 percent tariffs on all imports from China and 35 percent on many goods from Mexico would spark financial market turmoil and possibly even a recession, former trade negotiators, trade lawyers, economists and business executives told Reuters.
"I don't mind trade wars when we're losing $58 billion a year," Trump said in a Feb. 25 debate, referring to the 2015 U.S. goods trade deficit with Mexico. Economists dispute the idea the United States is "losing" money as the trade deficit is simply the difference between what the United States imports and what it exports to a country. They don't care. Just posting the Trump lies and calling Cruz the liar. 4/7/16 Cruz: “Hillary Clinton has made MILLIONS of dollars selling power and access in Washington. And Donald Trump has made BILLIONS of dollars buying power and access in Washington.”
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SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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Your candidate has a loose connection.
He went up to some Trump supporters today, launched into his "Trump hate speech" and ended up getting humiliated.
He's making an ass of himself every time he goes on TV.
It's time for somebody who has some influence on the man to intervene.
The world is learning that he's a nut.
His mental state is becoming a topic of interest on the cable news shows.
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Sorry if I missed it, but isn't Mr. Trump in fact a globalist? Trump is a businessman who is running for President on a Nationalist/Populist platform. Globalists are politicians who want to flood America with illegal aliens and Muslim refugees. Simplistic reductionist thinking may help you rationalize why you choose believe a populist demagouge, but it doesn't make it true. You get to have an opinion but not to make up your own 'facts.' Trump is running on a "Nationalist/Populist platform" because he thinks it will improve his chances of getting elected. But his record is one of off-shoring, hiring aliens - legal and illegal - to replace US citizens as cheaper labor, and of buying off politicians for his own plutocratic purposes. That's the guy you think is going to turn back the clock to traditional American values and dethrone the Washington establishment? I'd laugh but it's all too tragically serious for that.
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Having spent most of his life "swimming with the sharks" in Manhattan real estate and in building stuff all over the world, Donald has had to adapt and innovate to survive and flourish.
I don't think people can "pigeon hole" him to predict how he'll act in a Presidential role, by how he swam in the real estate/business/finance cess pool.
He'll adapt.
I'm not a Trumpster, just an observer.
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Sorry if I missed it, but isn't Mr. Trump in fact a globalist? Trump is a businessman who is running for President on a Nationalist/Populist platform. Globalists are politicians who want to flood America with illegal aliens and Muslim refugees. Simplistic reductionist thinking may help you rationalize why you choose believe a populist demagouge, but it doesn't make it true. You get to have an opinion but not to make up your own 'facts.' Trump is running on a "Nationalist/Populist platform" because he thinks it will improve his chances of getting elected. But his record is one of off-shoring, hiring aliens - legal and illegal - to replace US citizens as cheaper labor, and of buying off politicians for his own plutocratic purposes. That's the guy you think is going to turn back the clock to traditional American values and dethrone the Washington establishment? I'd laugh but it's all too tragically serious for that. The Washington establishment has been doing backflips for months to try to keep Trump from getting the nomination. If you're too obtuse to see or hear anything else and to understand what it means,..you should at least be able to see *that*. Those who can't are responsible for the herd of globalists who currently run America.
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The Washington establishment still hates Cruz more than Trump.
They know which one will "Make deals"
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“In Trump We Trust.” Right????
SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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The Washington establishment still hates Cruz more than Trump.
They know which one will "Make deals" All the rest of the so-called conservatives have been "making deals" for years...none of them have benefited the country. Do you remember when Bush 43 expanded the federal gov more than any president in the last 40-50 years?
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The Washington establishment still hates Cruz more than Trump.
They know which one will "Make deals" All the rest of the so-called conservatives have been "making deals" for years...none of them have benefited the country. Do you remember when Bush 43 expanded the federal gov more than any president in the last 40-50 years? And your words are supposed to make us all feel good about Trump????
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“In Trump We Trust.” Right????
SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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The Washington establishment still hates Cruz more than Trump.
They know which one will "Make deals" All the rest of the so-called conservatives have been "making deals" for years...none of them have benefited the country. Do you remember when Bush 43 expanded the federal gov more than any president in the last 40-50 years? And your words are supposed to make us all feel good about Trump???? We all know Clinton signed it, but who brought us NAFTA? If Trump does 25% of what he says he'll do, he'll have done more than anyone has for a quite some time. Based on the last century of performance, we should ban presidential candidates from Texas...even Ike was a big government man to a fairly large degree.
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Bristoe, I think you mean to say that Mr. Trump is a multi-national businessman. He profits from cheap labor in Mexico and China to produce goods with his "brand" name attached to them, in the U.S. He imports cheap foreign labor to staff his hotel in Florida, as well. He has a proven track record of giving money to democrat politicians in order to receive benefits in return. Somebody as connected as he is to the world banking, political, and business system has to be a globalist. Call his "platform" what you want, but his track record speaks for itself. Enjoy the carnival now folks, PT Barnum is guaranteed to entertain.
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Who contributes large amounts of money to any politician and does not expect something in return? I'd say he has a pretty good idea what needs to be dealt with.
If any of you think Ted Cruz is not bought and paid for, you're deluded. I used to support Cruz fully. I've come to see that he's no real conservative, just a squeaky wheel looking for grease.
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Bristoe, I think you mean to say that Mr. Trump is a multi-national businessman. He profits from cheap labor in Mexico and China to produce goods with his "brand" name attached to them, in the U.S. He imports cheap foreign labor to staff his hotel in Florida, as well. He has a proven track record of giving money to democrat politicians in order to receive benefits in return. Somebody as connected as he is to the world banking, political, and business system has to be a globalist. Call his "platform" what you want, but his track record speaks for itself. Enjoy the carnival now folks, PT Barnum is guaranteed to entertain. He's a very successful businessman. He's now running for the GOP nomination on a platform of Nationalism/Populism. He's never been in a position to be a globalist. That's in the realm of political policy making. Trump has never held political office.
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...whatever possessed the GOP to go along with globalism is beyond me... The relentless advance of Communism in US politics has been intertwined with pressure for globalism. Just wait. Someday when we're all dead, there will be one world government and it will be global communism. America will be working to support 10 billion people...
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If Mr. Trump is the nominee, we are guaranteed a New York Liberal in the White House. Either Hillary, or Donald. Same coin, different sides. Let me know how that works out for ya. (By the way, Bush 43 was not a Conservative). If Mr. Trump's plans run counter to the rinos and dems in Congress, how, again, is he going to get them accomplished? Are you a Conservative? I ask, because I am very surprised at the number of people here at the fire, that are not.
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