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Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
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What I don't get is the guys who think $15 is a lot for minimum wage. $15 an hour is a little over 2k a MONTH take home pay. It's nothing. You're right, so lets bump it up to $20/hr. ...Of course $30 would be even better... Have any of you supporters of min. wages looked at what that hourly pay scale actually costs the employer? After FICA, insurance costs, training, taxes, f'ups etc. etc. $15/hour will cost $20-$25/hr out of pocket to the employer before jr. even starts breaking even. And who do you think the employer passes those extra costs on too? Because if the employer doesn't, he either employees fewer people to make up the difference, automates, or says "F' It!" and closes up shop. You can tweek laws all you want but the market will always win in the end.
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[/quote] Will not support hillary or trump,chump. [/quote]
JFC! You're electing a SCOTUS!
Right now, your future lays in the balance. There's already one vacancy to be filled; a deciding vote. Three more are coming very soon. Ginsburg is circling the drain. You'll be feeling the ramifications of this vote LONG after the next President is out of office. Get it together!
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Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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The minimum wage causes all kinds of handwringing on here for no reason. The minimum wage is mostly irrelevant. The problem in the U.S. is the massively bloated welfare state. We pay people 50K a year in welfare to sit at home, smoke dope and spit out kids. They're not going to take a job for $8 an hour or $15 an hour for that matter. Why would you take a $15 an hour job when you get paid twice that for doing nothing?
We then look the other way while mexicans file over our borders to take those low wage jobs, all the time paying our own citizens to NOT take these jobs. It's idiotic. Cut welfare down to where it's not more profitable to sit on your butt at home than work then the 50 million people on welfare will start looking for work. Kick the mexicans out so they're not competing with the former welfare mooches for the jobs. The minimum wage will sort itself out when people suddenly have to actually work to be able to afford their cigarettes and booze. prezactly ! well said
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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There will be a lot of crow eaten after this election and I don't think the crow will be eaten by the Trump camp.
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Will not support hillary or trump,chump. [/quote] JFC! You're electing a SCOTUS! Right now, your future lays in the balance. There's already one vacancy to be filled; a deciding vote. Three more are coming very soon. Ginsburg is circling the drain. You'll be feeling the ramifications of this vote LONG after the next President is out of office. Get it together! [/quote] Exactly ! Trump is the only choice if the Second Amendment means anything to you. I agree he has a lot of warts, but I am voting for one single issue. Second Amendment/SCOTUS !!! Hold your nose and save your guns !!!
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Republicans are highly likely to lose the Senate to Democrats.
Does anyone truly think Trump has the stomach to fight for a constitutional conservative on the Court when he thinks that Supreme Court justices prosecute crimes and sign bills?
Ronald Reagan missed two out of three Supreme Court picks. George H.W. Bush went one for two. George W. went one for two. Ford went zero for one, and Nixon went one for four. Does anyone think that Donald Trump will do better than any of these people?
Trump has never backed a constitutional balance of powers; he doesn’t know what that phrase means. If you’re hanging your hopes for a conservative Court on Donald Trump, you’re being conned.
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Republicans are highly likely to lose the Senate to Democrats.
Does anyone truly think Trump has the stomach to fight for a constitutional conservative on the Court when he thinks that Supreme Court justices prosecute crimes and sign bills?
Ronald Reagan missed two out of three Supreme Court picks. George H.W. Bush went one for two. George W. went one for two. Ford went zero for one, and Nixon went one for four. Does anyone think that Donald Trump will do better than any of these people?
Trump has never backed a constitutional balance of powers; he doesn’t know what that phrase means. If you’re hanging your hopes for a conservative Court on Donald Trump, you’re being conned. Said Mr/Mrs copy & paste Have any original thoughts?
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Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
Liberal father: " I fought the Americans, along with all the other liberals."
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Republicans are highly likely to lose the Senate to Democrats.
Does anyone truly think Trump has the stomach to fight for a constitutional conservative on the Court when he thinks that Supreme Court justices prosecute crimes and sign bills?
Ronald Reagan missed two out of three Supreme Court picks. George H.W. Bush went one for two. George W. went one for two. Ford went zero for one, and Nixon went one for four. Does anyone think that Donald Trump will do better than any of these people?
Trump has never backed a constitutional balance of powers; he doesn’t know what that phrase means. If you’re hanging your hopes for a conservative Court on Donald Trump, you’re being conned. Facts are facts to be sure. The fact is he has infinitely better odds at appointing a good judge to the court than does Clinton. So either get on board or pull the lever for your girl and STFU.
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pull the lever for your girl I'm not a hillary fan; you're thinking of donald trump. He's the one who helped elect her.  She was at his weddin.
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You talkin about the fact that McCain lost, Romney lost, right? And as mentioned post: either jump in or go vote HRC and STFU.
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Look at this way. Keep people poor, and keep adding to the poor, and the democrats will keep growing in power.
$15 an hour is not a lot of money at all. I'd feel very sorry for someone who was supporting a family on that wage.
Obviously there needs to be some exceptions. Teens, very low skill jobs, etc should not be $15 an hour.
Either the employer pays them, or we the tax payer pays them. Make you choice.
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Look at this way. Keep people poor, and keep adding to the poor, and the democrats will keep growing in power.
$15 an hour is not a lot of money at all. I'd feel very sorry for someone who was supporting a family on that wage.
Obviously there needs to be some exceptions. Teens, very low skill jobs, etc should not be $15 an hour.
Either the employer pays them, or we the tax payer pays them. Make you choice. Really I am torn on the minimum wage thing. 1st a minimum wage kills jobs, period. Startups, and small business's in certain markets would be crippled by a $15 wage. On the other hand a company like Walmart will pay their employees nothing and make billions of dollars, while the tax payers subsidize their employees though entitlement programs. Yes Walmart would need to raise prices but dollar for dollar you get a lot more when money stays in the private sector than with .gov. I don't know the answer, one way you kill jobs and small business, the other way you effectively subsidize large corporations with tax dollars while they make billions.
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If you fix immigration and entitlements, minimum wage problem will take care of itself.
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If you fix immigration and entitlements, minimum wage problem will take care of itself. No. The liberals won't be happy until a single mother without a high school education is making as much as a college graduate. It's only "fair".
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$15 an hour is not a lot of money at all. I'd feel very sorry for someone who was supporting a family on that wage.
I'd feel even worse for someone who hadn't figured out the value of a minimum wage job as a young person before they got tied down. How anyone could work for wages so low that they can barely support just themselves, if that, and not realize that they ought to be bettering themselves suggests a problem a lot bigger than what the government can fix via mandates. Of course, those mandates could seriously screw up some other important things that don't need a government fix.
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maybe I'm wrong but you don't have to work for minimum wage.
Have always told my boys at the end of your shift, someone is gonna feel like they got screwed.
Whatever your wage, make sure the boss thinks he got way more value for your efforts than what he paid.
If he's a good boss you're apt to get a raise. If he's a bad boss, and you bust hump and don't see anything for your trouble, go talk to his biggest competitor.
you may have to start at minimum wage, but I know enough biz owners if you're willing to bust hump they'll gladly pay you.
but folks don't want to buy a pig in a poke.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Will not support hillary or trump,chump. [/quote] JFC! You're electing a SCOTUS! Right now, your future lays in the balance. There's already one vacancy to be filled; a deciding vote. Three more are coming very soon. Ginsburg is circling the drain. You'll be feeling the ramifications of this vote LONG after the next President is out of office. Get it together![/quote] Unlikely a conservative one if Trump is considering a Democrat as a running mate. Don't think it will make any difference on the picks as Trump has shown no indications of being a conservative. GW
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