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I have five 280s, the last one a Ruger #1. I would not even dream of buying ammo over the counter for a serious hunt. I guess I would qualify as a rifle loony. I used 140gr ballistic tips for roe deer and wild boar and 140 accubonds for Ibex, red stag and roe. I am not crazy about the 140 gr accubonds, and plan to try heavier bullets next time. Roe deer are no problem with the ballistic tips in 140 gr.
A very experienced friend of mine took the 7X64 to an extensive African trip and was VERY disappointed. He now uses a 270 but for roe only. He bought a 375 also.... He over reacted.
After hitting a relaxed wild boar with two perfect shots using 140 gr ballistic tips we had to track him in a tall wheat field with flashlights in the middle of the night. Now I load 175gr Swift A Frames. This is precisely the advantage of the 280 over the 270. (Also the 280 is way too common for a rifle loony)
I am not deranged, when the wife of a very good friend asked me to choose a rifle for her to give him on his 60th birthday, I bought a 30-06 with a plastic stock and free floating barrel.
So far he has 128 roe, many wild boars and stags, fallow deer, Ibex and has done Scottish doubles on wolf,roe and wild boar. He started with 150gr for roe etc but now uses only 180s for everything.
For my son I chose a 308 and he has gotten his whitetail every year for the last 15. I load monolithic only. I also got him a 300 win mag since he is not sophisticated at all...
I guess the question is who has the most fun.... What was the problem with the 7x64?
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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He claimed could not get clean kills. I do not know which bullets he was using. He had a Steyr rifle he had used for years, a present from his grandfather.
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I have five 280s, the last one a Ruger #1. I would not even dream of buying ammo over the counter for a serious hunt. I guess I would qualify as a rifle loony. I used 140gr ballistic tips for roe deer and wild boar and 140 accubonds for Ibex, red stag and roe. I am not crazy about the 140 gr accubonds, and plan to try heavier bullets next time. Roe deer are no problem with the ballistic tips in 140 gr.
A very experienced friend of mine took the 7X64 to an extensive African trip and was VERY disappointed. He now uses a 270 but for roe only. He bought a 375 also.... He over reacted.
After hitting a relaxed wild boar with two perfect shots using 140 gr ballistic tips we had to track him in a tall wheat field with flashlights in the middle of the night. Now I load 175gr Swift A Frames. This is precisely the advantage of the 280 over the 270. (Also the 280 is way too common for a rifle loony)
I am not deranged, when the wife of a very good friend asked me to choose a rifle for her to give him on his 60th birthday, I bought a 30-06 with a plastic stock and free floating barrel.
So far he has 128 roe, many wild boars and stags, fallow deer, Ibex and has done Scottish doubles on wolf,roe and wild boar. He started with 150gr for roe etc but now uses only 180s for everything.
For my son I chose a 308 and he has gotten his whitetail every year for the last 15. I load monolithic only. I also got him a 300 win mag since he is not sophisticated at all...
I guess the question is who has the most fun.... What was the problem with the 7x64? Let me make sure I got that. You load monolithic only... for whitetails... for 308?
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Barnes, 160 gr. Had bad luck with Sierras tearing down when touching branches early on. We shoot in very thick woods in NW CT.
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Barnes, 160 gr. Had bad luck with Sierras tearing down when touching branches early on. We shoot in very thick woods in NW CT.
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It always fascinated me that the 280 threads always produce such emotion for and against. It's heading toward obsolescense ( if it isn't already there) and it is zero threat to the 270. A number of gunwriters have praised the 280 through the years and I guess that's why it's still sputtering along. Mostly it's an 'anti establishment' cartridge and that will continue to be it's niche.
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Barnes, 160 gr. Had bad luck with Sierras tearing down when touching branches early on. We shoot in very thick woods in NW CT. Quit hitting branches. Shoot between the branches and regular bullets work just fine. We have plenty thick woods/brush here in NY and I've killed multiple deer every season for over 40 years with standard cup and core bullets. That would include many with .308, .243 and .224" Sierra's. Also MANY with factory loaded core-lokt's, power points, silvertips and power shoks. If you're having troubles it's your shooting not the bullets that are at fault.
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I actually like the 280 R AND the 270 W.
Truth be told..IF you like the one...you HAVE to like the other. Those 2 cartridges are TOOOO similar for any difference to be real.
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There is a LOT more difference between the 06 and 308 than between the 270 - 280. Jerry
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I am pretty amused by those who pick the 280 over the 270 because of the "large selection" of bullet weights. For big game hunting, I have found 130's best in the 270 and 140's in the 280.
I'll wager fewer than 2% use 160's or 175's in their standard 280's.
150's work pretty well in both bores.
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I am pretty amused by those who pick the 280 over the 270 because of the "large selection" of bullet weights. For big game hunting, I have found 130's best in the 270 and 140's in the 280.
I'll wager fewer than 2% use 160's or 175's in their standard 280's.
150's work pretty well in both bores. That is very true, but put me down as 160 guy. I got hooked on them back when Federal had 160 NAB load. I found out it didn't drop much more than the lighter bullets and drifted less in the wind. It worked quite well on critters. Now I handload both 140's and 160's for one of my .280's and shoot 150 Partitions in another.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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I'll wager fewer than 2% use 160's or 175's in their standard 280's.
Yeah - it's not like the 270 doesn't have a 160 ! No ? Jerry
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Rick,
Several years ago I did an analysis of the available .277 and .284 bullets and came to the conclusion that there were even more .277 bullets available. Of course, there weren't any 175-grain spitzers, but like you I've rarely run into anybody who used 175's in their .280. Most used 140-160's--though that has changed with the long-range trend. But still don't know anybody who uses bullets over 168 grains in their .280, and so far I have excellent luck with the new 170 Berger Elite Hunter in my .270, even with its 1-10 twist. I also don't know of any lead-cored 175-grain "premium" 7mm bullet that penetrates any deeper from a .280 than the 160-grain Nosler Partition from a .270.
These days there's an even greater selection of .270 bullets, thanks to the 6.8 SPC. Either an 85-grain TSX or 95 TTSX can be loaded to really high velocities, and while neither would be the choice for really long range, I know people who use them quite successfully at conventional ranges.
But as always, somebody will pick nits with all this--which is why, as I mentioned earlier, arguments about ALMOST identical cartridges go on far longer. In the meantime, those who've actually used a bunch of different cartridges considerably eventually find it hard to stifle a yawn.
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I'll wager fewer than 2% use 160's or 175's in their standard 280's.
Yeah - it's not like the 270 doesn't have a 160 ! No ? Jerry They just cost more than the 7mm version from Hornady 
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I love these cartridge debates. In reality, ever single cartridge on the spectrum/continuum/list of all cartridges, can intelligently and honestly, be argued to be better than both the one immediately following and the one immediately preceding it on said spectrum. Within the list, the adjacent cartridges are all more alike than they are different.
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Marc - in this day of 'multiplicity' of bullets.... ....there's ALWAYS an excuse. Rick,
These days there's an even greater selection of .270 bullets, thanks to the 6.8 SPC. Either an 85-grain TSX or 95 TTSX can be loaded to really high velocities, and while neither would be the choice for really long range, I know people who use them quite successfully at conventional ranges.
Well, well...I guess that removes 1 more bragging right from the 7mm prejudice.  Remember - I like BOTH.  Jerry
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Jerry,
I also have both and like both. I see no real difference in how they kill game.
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The 280 has slightly better velocity for like weight bullets and the bullets themselves have better BC's. This assumes your loading the 280 to 270 pressures.
I like both of them and have used both. If there is a big differance between either for normal hunting I haven't noticed it.
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And the .30-06 will get higher velocities with even heavier bullet weights than either the .270 or .280. Amazing, isn't it?
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