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Never underestimate the stupidity of some..... grin


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Oh, I don't underestimate the stupidity at all. It's the camera wobbling and moving around, but somehow the shot foot remaining so stationary as to have that shot-off toe still right there for a perfect glancing view. I don't buy that at all.


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Real or not, people always fail to realize how dangerous fast draw is. Since the invention of the fast draw people have been shooting themselves.

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Originally Posted by GunGeek
Real or not, people always fail to realize how dangerous fast draw is. Since the invention of the fast draw people have been shooting themselves.


Being quick and having common sense are two different things.

"Fast draw" is largely a Hollywood, dime novel concept that had little to do with the facts of history.

Fastest draw there is, is having the weapon in hand before you need it.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Originally Posted by GunGeek
Real or not, people always fail to realize how dangerous fast draw is. Since the invention of the fast draw people have been shooting themselves.


Being quick and having common sense are two different things.

"Fast draw" is largely a Hollywood, dime novel concept that had little to do with the facts of history.

Fastest draw there is, is having the weapon in hand before you need it.



Some people here (ahemm...trh) consider that excessive use of force


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Originally Posted by gitem_12
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Originally Posted by GunGeek
Real or not, people always fail to realize how dangerous fast draw is. Since the invention of the fast draw people have been shooting themselves.


Being quick and having common sense are two different things.

"Fast draw" is largely a Hollywood, dime novel concept that had little to do with the facts of history.

Fastest draw there is, is having the weapon in hand before you need it.



Some people here (ahemm...trh) consider that excessive use of force


Oh.

You must mean the stupid ones that have no chance of surviving a firefight in the first place... The armchair quarterbacks. laugh


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Took a call here several years ago where a cowboy action shooter was home alone practicing his fast draw. He was using a Ruger Vaquero .45 and shot himself through the upper thigh. The bullet hit the femoral artery before it exited. Old feller had enough time to call 911, then he just laid down in the kitchen and bled to death. I think the first unit on the scene was there in about 17 minutes. The scene was quite a mess, felt really bad for his family.


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Originally Posted by MOGC
Took a call here several years ago where a cowboy action shooter was home alone practicing his fast draw. He was using a Ruger Vaquero .45 and shot himself through the upper thigh. The bullet hit the femoral artery before it exited. Old feller had enough time to call 911, then he just laid down in the kitchen and bled to death. I think the first unit on the scene was there in about 17 minutes. The scene was quite a mess, felt really bad for his family.


He had one chance -- tourniquet. Maybe.


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What happened there? What exactly was he doing?


These are both good questions.
And he's asked them of himself many times since.


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Originally Posted by Talus_in_Arizona
Originally Posted by MOGC
Took a call here several years ago where a cowboy action shooter was home alone practicing his fast draw. He was using a Ruger Vaquero .45 and shot himself through the upper thigh. The bullet hit the femoral artery before it exited. Old feller had enough time to call 911, then he just laid down in the kitchen and bled to death. I think the first unit on the scene was there in about 17 minutes. The scene was quite a mess, felt really bad for his family.


He had one chance -- tourniquet. Maybe.
Maybe two. He was in the kitchen: cauterize.


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

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Originally Posted by RickyD
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Originally Posted by MOGC
Took a call here several years ago where a cowboy action shooter was home alone practicing his fast draw. He was using a Ruger Vaquero .45 and shot himself through the upper thigh. The bullet hit the femoral artery before it exited. Old feller had enough time to call 911, then he just laid down in the kitchen and bled to death. I think the first unit on the scene was there in about 17 minutes. The scene was quite a mess, felt really bad for his family.


He had one chance -- tourniquet. Maybe.
Maybe two. He was in the kitchen: cauterize.


The only real chance he had was to not be a dumb ass in the first place. He missed that chance, and all else stemmed from it.



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Femoral artery is HUGE, doesn't take long to bleed out after it's been ruptured. Tourniquet might have worked, but it might not have.

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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Being quick and having common sense are two different things.

"Fast draw" is largely a Hollywood, dime novel concept that had little to do with the facts of history.

Fastest draw there is, is having the weapon in hand before you need it.


"Fast draw" is a very doable skill, but you first have to learn how to do it safely. Do it right, then do it fast. Drawing a loaded weapon there is little margin for error. So you have to train a safe draw hundreds of times until your safe draw also happens pretty quick. Sacrifice safety for speed and you'll end up with a groove in your leg.

After treating a few people with "fast draw" injuries, I was a bit hesitant to learn the fast draw myself. Until I realized it's just your slow/safe draw sped up.

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Wow.

The goats are a nice touch.

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Originally Posted by GunGeek
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Being quick and having common sense are two different things.

"Fast draw" is largely a Hollywood, dime novel concept that had little to do with the facts of history.

Fastest draw there is, is having the weapon in hand before you need it.


"Fast draw" is a very doable skill, but you first have to learn how to do it safely. Do it right, then do it fast. Drawing a loaded weapon there is little margin for error. So you have to train a safe draw hundreds of times until your safe draw also happens pretty quick. Sacrifice safety for speed and you'll end up with a groove in your leg.

After treating a few people with "fast draw" injuries, I was a bit hesitant to learn the fast draw myself. Until I realized it's just your slow/safe draw sped up.


Oh, I get it, Kevin. I'm quite adept at fast draw. I learned the Dan Combs method of fast draw with a double action back in the 80's. Then got into single action, but not the fast draw competitions they have. That's another game entirely.

It just ain't for amateurs.

The learning curve is mighty unforgiving.


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Originally Posted by Sakoluvr
What happened there? What exactly was he doing?


Video guy says he is going to use his support (left) hand to draw a gun intended for a right handed shooter. It is hard to tell whether he put the right handed holster on his left hip backwards or whether it was on his right hip. I suspect it was on his left hip backwards because of the way the camera moved, because he said it was backwards, because I can see his left thumb near the gun when he points the camera at it, and because he hit his left foot. This is not really a fast draw technique but a pure stunt using a holster intentionally improperly positioned from the start.

While people should know how to draw their gun from a strong handed holster weak handed, the purpose is to simulate drawing when the strong hand is disabled before the gun is drawn. So, it should have been on his right hip. Doing that is an acquired skill and it mostly places at risk things to the right of the shooter and the shooter's right arm.

This guy probably could have figured out how to shoot himself either way. I suspect that the goats knew that from the get go. I can't find my English-Goat dictionary, but I think they were mocking him.

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P.S. A real backpacking gun would have blown off that guy's whole leg and cauterized the wound. wink


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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Wow.

The goats are a nice touch.


They add texture!


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Interesting that in the stress of the moment after shooting himself....he calls the goat "Honey."


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Originally Posted by cv540
Interesting that in the stress of the moment after shooting himself....he calls the goat "Honey."


He must be a Muzzy laugh


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