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A sig MCX was used in Florida I have read. No parts interchange with the AR platform. Just has similar looks.
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A sig MCX was used in Florida I have read. No parts interchange with the AR platform. Just has similar looks. Ok, well that will get the liberal media and dems to back off gun control.
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A sig MCX was used in Florida I have read. No parts interchange with the AR platform. Just has similar looks. Ok, well that will get the liberal media and dems to back off gun control. To the media, every gun is either an AR15 or a Glock.
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I'd say the real question is will LEOs, and perhaps military members actually obey and attempt to enforce such orders. Judging from last years government shutdown, I fear the worst. Forcing veterans away from public memorials, and closing up public parks is not a good start. 7mm That's why most states that limit or ban them already,,,,allow LEO to personally still buy and own them. Sadly it's a bribe and to develop another class.
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Go ahead and call me names rather than discuss the points I brought up in an intelligent manner. I'm not for any gun confiscation and again I point out that NYers did not register or turn in their assault rifles and are practicing civil disobedience. If I owned one, I wouldn't have registered it either. I just never saw the need to have one. If anything I do have is banned, I wouldn't turn it over. So say what you want about NYer this or Yankee that, it just makes you look like an idiot and further divides a community that needs to come together to find a way to keep our firearms. It's just hard to convince the non-gun owners that most gun-owners are peaceful law-abiding citizens when it looks to them like we are gearing up for war. I wont call you names, but the points you brought up can't be discussed in an intelligent manner because they are the product of emotional over reaction. We do not need to convince non gun owners of anything. They will not change their unfounded opinions of us either way.If it looks to them as if we are gearing up for war, so be it, because I fear that we are.... The ' way to keep our firearms' is simple. Civil Disobedience and non-compliance with idiotic laws like mag restrictions. As George stated, we need to get the mindset of not budging another inch. The underlying reasons for gun control by the liberals remain the same, to disarm and subjugate.
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Go ahead and call me names rather than discuss the points I brought up in an intelligent manner. I'm not for any gun confiscation and again I point out that NYers did not register or turn in their assault rifles and are practicing civil disobedience. If I owned one, I wouldn't have registered it either. I just never saw the need to have one. If anything I do have is banned, I wouldn't turn it over. So say what you want about NYer this or Yankee that, it just makes you look like an idiot and further divides a community that needs to come together to find a way to keep our firearms. It's just hard to convince the non-gun owners that most gun-owners are peaceful law-abiding citizens when it looks to them like we are gearing up for war. I wont call you names, but the points you brought up can't be discussed in an intelligent manner because they are the product of emotional over reaction. We do not need to convince non gun owners of anything. They will not change their unfounded opinions of us either way.If it looks to them as if we are gearing up for war, so be it, because I fear that we are.... The ' way to keep our firearms' is simple. Civil Disobedience and non-compliance with idiotic laws like mag restrictions. As George stated, we need to get the mindset of not budging another inch. The underlying reasons for gun control by the liberals remain the same, to disarm and subjugate. Very well stated.
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O'Reilly was advocating it tonight. I piss on that phony turd.
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Eventually somethings going to give. What would you rather have made illegal, the AR-15 or a 30 round mag? Give me your guns. They don't love you anymore. Mags too. And your ammo.
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I'd say the real question is will LEOs, and perhaps military members actually obey and attempt to enforce such orders. Judging from last years government shutdown, I fear the worst. Forcing veterans away from public memorials, and closing up public parks is not a good start. 7mm the old timers might not, but the new kids? Yeah, they will be perfectly willing to go door to door. It'll give em an opportunity for some of the new stormtrooper type LEO's to do exactly what they joined LE for.. shoot somebody.
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It'll give em an opportunity to do exactly what they joined LE for.. shoot somebody.
Is that why you joined the military?
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I hope you all are right, I do. We'll see how all this plays out over time. I'm not optimistic, obviously. Question here becomes.. Are you voting the right way?
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And all Heller says is you can own a gun. Nothing more. Read it.
---------------------------------------------------------------- The 2nd says I can keep and bear. Heller, Miller, if you are looking for perfect case law it is not to be found here or in consensus opinions handed down from leftist courts. For being touted as an originalist, Scalia takes a back seat to Thomas as regards the Second Amendment. These courts are not the be all-end all of the Second Amendment that many hold them up to be. Sure they hold sway in what transpires perhaps politically or legally at a given point in time, but they are not the last word. Ultimately it is the people that have that. If you are going to cultivate the mindset that the Supremes can take that power out of your hands then you have cultivated the mindset that would allow them to take the guns out of your hands also. Because a judge says that something is so does not necessarily make it so. For myself I will not allow a judge to tell me what the Second means if his answer is purposefully incomplete or not in line with the Framers' original intent. I KNOW what it means, and will simply write that judge off as invalid. I will not allow a disappointing leftist court decision, to cultivate in me a defeatist attitude that I might unintentionally pass onto others. We are on the right side. Not one more inch. Whether you believe it or not, the 2A is whatever the USSC says it is. You can stamp your foot all day long, but manufacturers and dealers will follow the law and there could come a day where AR's are not on the shelves of stores. That is just a fact, my friend.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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When the left's ideas, ideologies, and policies fail, they typically will attempt to shift the blame to someone or something else. In this case a firearm. Much easier to point the finger at an inanimate object (and attempt to control/regulate it) than to ever admit that their ideas, ideologies and policies are flawed.
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A sig MCX was used in Florida I have read. No parts interchange with the AR platform. Just has similar looks. Ok, well that will get the liberal media and dems to back off gun control. To the media, every gun is either an AR15 or a Glock. And if there's TWO - why, you own an ARSENAL of horrendous weapons..
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When the left's ideas, ideologies, and policies fail, they typically will attempt to shift the blame to someone or something else. In this case a firearm. Much easier to point the finger at an inanimate object (and attempt to control/regulate it) than to ever admit that their ideas, ideologies and policies are flawed. the liberal/progressive mind is incapable of the rational thought so it is impossible for them to change their stance. mental disorder
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I wont call you names, but the points you brought up can't be discussed in an intelligent manner because they are the product of emotional over reaction. We do not need to convince non gun owners of anything. They will not change their unfounded opinions of us either way.If it looks to them as if we are gearing up for war, so be it, because I fear that we are.... The ' way to keep our firearms' is simple. Civil Disobedience and non-compliance with idiotic laws like mag restrictions. As George stated, we need to get the mindset of not budging another inch. The underlying reasons for gun control by the liberals remain the same, to disarm and subjugate.
Damn straight.. Very well put ingwe..
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it would be interesting to see the numbers on this deal. Pretty f'n expensive ammo, that is.
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If gun owners can't out protest the aborigines in Ferguson I will be surprised. An armed 10k citizen March if it could be done correctly would make an awesome statement to the Pols. If this occurred simultaneously all over the country it would remind the Govt. what the 2A is all about. I'll be there.
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I wont call you names, but the points you brought up can't be discussed in an intelligent manner because they are the product of emotional over reaction. We do not need to convince non gun owners of anything. They will not change their unfounded opinions of us either way.If it looks to them as if we are gearing up for war, so be it, because I fear that we are.... The ' way to keep our firearms' is simple. Civil Disobedience and non-compliance with idiotic laws like mag restrictions. As George stated, we need to get the mindset of not budging another inch. The underlying reasons for gun control by the liberals remain the same, to disarm and subjugate. Most of you are reading more into my posts than what is there. I agree with civil disobedience and I would not recommend anyone turning in their high capacity mags if they were banned. My point is, if a high mag capacity ban means that you get to use your AR etc. with 5 round mags, isn't that better than an outright ban on the platforms themselves, that would make it very difficult for you to transport or use your AR types again? The NY ban on selling "assault rifles" and the requirement to register them, and the ban on high capacity mags have not been overturned by the courts. Expecting protection from the courts is a long-shot. We either try to appear reasonable and somewhat flexible or they will be made illegal outright. If that happens, by all means, keep them and don't turn them in, but that is defiance and not a victory. They are now calling these firearms "weapons of war" rather than "assault weapons." I'm telling you that they are winning the PR war and with every incident that happens, they win more support. It's just a matter of time before the call for a ban is so overwhelming that the politicians will fold on us. And they will!! We can either find a way for these rifles to appear less dangerous or they will be make them illegal. When that happens, I'm all for civil disobedience like we are doing here in NY.
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Most of you are reading more into my posts than what is there. I agree with civil disobedience and I would not recommend anyone turning in their high capacity mags if they were banned. My point is, if a high mag capacity ban means that you get to use your AR etc. with 5 round mags, isn't that better than an outright ban on the platforms themselves, that would make it very difficult for you to transport or use your AR types again? The NY ban on selling "assault rifles" and the requirement to register them, and the ban on high capacity mags have not been overturned by the courts. Expecting protection from the courts is a long-shot. We either try to appear reasonable and somewhat flexible or they will be made illegal outright. If that happens, by all means, keep them and don't turn them in, but that is defiance and not a victory. They are now calling these firearms "weapons of war" rather than "assault weapons." I'm telling you that they are winning the PR war and with every incident that happens, they win more support. It's just a matter of time before the call for a ban is so overwhelming that the politicians will fold on us. And they will!! We can either find a way for these rifles to appear less dangerous or they will be make them illegal. When that happens, I'm all for civil disobedience like we are doing here in NY.
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