I don't think you're anywhere as NEAR as green about firearms as you repeatedly make yourself out to be here,...and am once again asking myself,"WTF does this "jaytee" cat REALLY have in mind,....WHY is he asking these really sophomoric questions."
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I don't think you're anywhere as NEAR as green about firearms as you repeatedly make yourself out to be here,...and am once again asking myself,"WTF does this "jaytee" cat REALLY have in mind,....WHY is he asking these really sophomoric questions."
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Not on this forum, but on other forums with little traffic I have a strong suspicion that administration is trolling. The endless stream of anonymous "sophomoric questions" is suspicious. And look at that member's posts, and it will all threads he started, and every last one of them a common and unlikely softball. Cookie cutter the next guy like that, and again, and again, each with ~ 15 posts.
24HCF, in contrast, has plenty of traffic.
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No "act" to buy crossfire. I'm merely posing this question as I have several friends who dont think we should have AR style weapons. Myself, I've got 3 and hardly ever shoot them but they are in the gun safe. And I do thank everyone for their responses. I knew that there was some type of a repeating weapon like the puckle, just didn't know the name of it. I'm not trolling or phishing, just looking for some good info to throw back at folks when they start in the argument that nobody really needs an AR style rifle, thats all.
I have several friends who dont think we should have AR style weapons.
Well, for starters, you need to find yourself a better class of "friends",....their stink followed you in here.
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The Kalthoff repeating musket was made in numbers from about the 1650s. It had separate magazines for powder and for balls, and a lever-action mechanism fed a measure of powder and a ball and cocked the action (originally wheel lock, later flintlock), allowing a shot every second or two. Magazine capacity varied: some reputedly held up to 30 shots, but seven or 12 was more common.
There was also the Cookson, a 12 shot repeater from about 1680.
Calhoun, I agree 100%. My interpretation of the 2nd., is that If I wanted/and could afford, I could purchase a fully armed F-14 or whatever!!! Purely for personal protection, if needed. memtb
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Guess I'd better say thanks so as not to raise crossfires suspicion. I never new of these early versions of repeating weapons. Speaking of F-14's, there used to be some model of fighter jet sitting in a topless building at a farm along I-90 between Elkton and Austin Minnessota.
Do you not understand the flaw in your counterpoint?
When the 2nd was written the rifles used at the time were state of the art.
Dave
Actually Travis, couldn't the argument be made that when the 2nd was written, the state of the art "arms" were primarily in the hands of the citizenry, and not the govt. Being as most gov't arms were smooth bore and the majority of "rifled" guns belonged primarily to private citizens?
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
repeating weapons started with the Paper Patched Loading
No th ey didnt, they started way before that
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
I hear folks say that the reason we need new gun laws is that guns were single shot muskets back when the 2nd amendment was written and not anything like we have today.
The next time you hear that remind the person that the 1st amendment as well as the entire constitution and bill or rights were written with a turkey feather dipped in an inkwell. Maybe we should ban all modern forms of electronic communication since it allows lies to be spread easier and faster.
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
Dave its not my counterpoint, I totally agree that the weapons were state of the art. And as far as the point about the constitution being written with a quill and ink, that makes sense but people aren't getting gunned down by ball point pens. I dont think the anti's aren't concerned about technological advances over the past 240 years, until it comes to guns.
Dave its not my counterpoint, I totally agree that the weapons were state of the art. And as far as the point about the constitution being written with a quill and ink, that makes sense but people aren't getting gunned down by ball point pens. I dont think the anti's aren't concerned about technological advances over the past 240 years, until it comes to guns.
So what you're saying is the Founding Fathers did not intend for the 2nd Amendment to keep up with the times, only all of the other Amendments?
So when a bunch of ragheads get on social media and start spewing good stuff about joining ISIS and tell people to attack infidels, that's not 'killing' people?
Here's a hint, I'd say that the majority of terrorist killings begin via media.
Tom Clancy used to live by me. He had a tank. Guess ya gotta be rich and know the right people.
You would be suprised to know the number of tanks and other armored vehicles out there in private hands.
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"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
That is flawed logic on their part because those weapons were state of the art at the time.
The 2nd was not written because the authors felt single shots weren't capable of fighting tyranny.
Dave
Bingo
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
But the 2nd Amendment and all early texts clearly state that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to allow every man to defend himself, and to allow the citizenry to fight tyranny both from foreign OR domestic sources. As such, military small arms should obviously be covered under the 2nd Amendment - up to and including TRUE assault rifles. Actually I'd say it covers machineguns as well.
The 2nd amendment is about political power, not self defense, hunting, or target practice.
When swords had political power, there strict sword control laws in Japan and Rome. With the invention of guns, anyone can own a sword.
For a gun to have political power today, it should be what a US soldier carries today.
In the future when a soldier has a heat sening machine gun flying drone, that is what the 2nd amendment is giving us.
When everyone has a gun on a plane, the plane will fly to where the majority want to go. When everyone in a country is armed, the country will have the government that everyone wants.
Hitler got 30% of the vote, burned down congress, declared himself dictator, and suspended future elections. Meanwhile an unarmed German populace stood and watched.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
