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It would be easy and cheap to build a crossing deterrent. Sanctions would cover the cost. NO government contractors, only vetted private contractors. Maybe even offer 2-3 years of work on the wall to workers with visas to put them on the fast track to citizenship. It's not rocket surgery.
FIRST start enforcing out laws rather than making new ones. Go forward from there. I have a service connected disabled vet owned construction business. Does your plan disqualifie me from bidding by your standards just because I am a certified government contractor?
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I think the wall will make a fine RPG target So no, don't build it, but triple the size of the Border Patrol, and turn them loose in enforcement. Then it they come back and tell you they want a wall in such & such area, fine.
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I could stop it for free. 50k fine for hiring folks not in the data base AND a 25k bounty for finding and turning them in.
For all the traditional reasons we need an enforced border, though.
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It would be easy and cheap to build a crossing deterrent. Sanctions would cover the cost. NO government contractors, only vetted private contractors. Maybe even offer 2-3 years of work on the wall to workers with visas to put them on the fast track to citizenship. It's not rocket surgery.
FIRST start enforcing out laws rather than making new ones. Go forward from there. I have a service connected disabled vet owned construction business. Does your plan disqualifie me from bidding by your standards just because I am a certified government contractor? Absolutely not. I should have been more specific but I'm a man of few words. Please bid but don't expect special treatment. I thank you for your service and you deserve any and all benefits promised to you. I own a contracting company and it's frustrating trying to bid against Native Americans, African Americans, women, etc and any other company owner who isn't a white male. I only succeed because I do better work. They always get the government bid even if it's way higher. It really sucks when those contractors toss it in my face. Anyway.... There are good profitable ways to deal with illegals.
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For my information..... What does it take to become a certified government contractor? I do private, township and a little county work. I'd like to expand.
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It would be easy and cheap to build a crossing deterrent. Sanctions would cover the cost. NO government contractors, only vetted private contractors. Maybe even offer 2-3 years of work on the wall to workers with visas to put them on the fast track to citizenship. It's not rocket surgery.
FIRST start enforcing out laws rather than making new ones. Go forward from there. I have a service connected disabled vet owned construction business. Does your plan disqualifie me from bidding by your standards just because I am a certified government contractor? Absolutely not. I should have been more specific but I'm a man of few words. Please bid but don't expect special treatment. I thank you for your service and you deserve any and all benefits promised to you. I own a contracting company and it's frustrating trying to bid against Native Americans, African Americans, women, etc and any other company owner who isn't a white male. I only succeed because I do better work. They always get the government bid even if it's way higher. It really sucks when those contractors toss it in my face. Anyway.... There are good profitable ways to deal with illegals. I was pretty sure I was misreading your post. BTW, you must know about the 3% rule in government construction. My SCDOB project management business can help your company meet that 3%. I will try to remember to send you some links next week when I get home. Feel free to remind me.
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Build a big wall.
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I do under $100 million annually so I'm okay for now.
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Build a big wall.
Minefields.. you guys are idiots. So, the f'ing idiot wants to know what we should do. Maybe just give yo and surrender the country to Mexico? Tell us oh wise one.
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You would think that building a simple barrier was a major challenge listening to the Dems and some here.
How hard would it be? Like putting a man on the moon hard? Like building an aircraft carrier hard? Like educating millions of non English speaking illegals hard?
If we hadn't spent the money stopping invaders in the Middle East we could probably have built 4 or 5 border walls to stop invaders of our own country.
What we lack is the will, not the means. We have undertaken many tougher tasks. The naysayers need to step aside.
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Build a big wall.
Minefields.. you guys are idiots. So, the f'ing idiot wants to know what we should do. Maybe just give yo and surrender the country to Mexico? Tell us oh wise one. You seriously want to plant landmines at our southern border??
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Trump will build his tall wall a few feet higher, under budget, which benefits Mexico because it's going to pay for it, and in record time.
Just build the damned wall.
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I think his wall means, patrol with A-10 Warthogs on a five mile buffer zone both north and south of the border. Unmanned, armed, drones is the way to go. The specter of unseen death from above coupled with the reality that every inch of the border is being survailed 24/7/365, would eliminate incursions cost effectively and completely. Yes, some might have to die initially, but once death was confirmed certain, the border would be secure.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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I think his wall means, patrol with A-10 Warthogs on a five mile buffer zone both north and south of the border. Unmanned, armed, drones is the way to go. The specter of unseen death from above coupled with the reality that every inch of the border is being survailed 24/7/365, would eliminate incursions cost effectively and completely. Yes, some might have to die initially, but once death was confirmed certain, the border would be secure. Are you serious? That has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
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Build a big wall.
Minefields.. you guys are idiots. So, the f'ing idiot wants to know what we should do. Maybe just give yo and surrender the country to Mexico? Tell us oh wise one. You seriously want to plant landmines at our southern border?? So much for due process and the Constitution for any Citizen who steps in the wrong spot...
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You would think that building a simple barrier was a major challenge listening to the Dems and some here.
How hard would it be? Like putting a man on the moon hard? Like building an aircraft carrier hard? Like educating millions of non English speaking illegals hard?
If we hadn't spent the money stopping invaders in the Middle East we could probably have built 4 or 5 border walls to stop invaders of our own country.
What we lack is the will, not the means. We have undertaken many tougher tasks. The naysayers need to step aside.
It wouldn't be all that hard, just very expensive and even more stupid. When ever I hear the wall nonsense I think about the Maginot line, that Germany just went around. There is ample technology available to shut that border like a vault without the idiocy of a wall that won't work. That's not naysaying, but truth.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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You would think that building a simple barrier was a major challenge listening to the Dems and some here.
How hard would it be? Like putting a man on the moon hard? Like building an aircraft carrier hard? Like educating millions of non English speaking illegals hard?
If we hadn't spent the money stopping invaders in the Middle East we could probably have built 4 or 5 border walls to stop invaders of our own country.
What we lack is the will, not the means. We have undertaken many tougher tasks. The naysayers need to step aside.
^^^THIS^^^ We have thousand and thousands of miles of stand-up concrete walls along the nations highways for sound barriers. If we can put them up to block sound from reaching neighboring communities, why can't we put them up to stop an invasion from neighboring countries? It's not that hard over-all, but there will be some engineering needed in some places such as drainage ditches, creeks, rivers and mountains and hard terrain, but for the most part, not that difficult with stand-up panels. Put a 30 foot deep footer under it to deter tunnels. It's not rocket science. It won't stop all illegal immigration, but it's a start. Combine that with fining people who hire them and take away the entitlements, and you have a good start to putting a damper on a bad problem. If we can put a man on the Moon, I think we can handle a little construction job like this.
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Build a big wall.
Minefields.. you guys are idiots. So, the f'ing idiot wants to know what we should do. Maybe just give yo and surrender the country to Mexico? Tell us oh wise one. You seriously want to plant landmines at our southern border?? Hell no! Show me where I said anything like that. Even if I did think so it would not work and I stated why above.
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Building a physical wall on the U.S./Mexico border is a stupid political stunt. Our border with Mexico is 1,600 miles long. Even if we complete and enhance the existing wall to make it impenetrable it won't stop illegals from entering the country. Say we build the wall all the way from the Pacific Ocean to El Paso. That's not going to keep illegals out because they will just go around it. We're not going to build a wall down the middle of the Rio Grande River. Nor are we going to give up sovereignty of half of the river by building a wall on our side of the river. So we still have 800 miles of river border that anyone can wade across. The Chinese built a wall to keep out the Mongols and Genghis Khan just rode around it. Can't we learn from history?
We could deploy the military on the border and start shooting trespassers. But that's not going to happen. The Chinese did that too and it didn't work.
Now if we really want to keep out illegals, we should build a legal wall that will actually accomplish the job. First we have to enforce existing laws that prohibit companies from employing illegals. Then we have to change the laws that allow illegals to get benefits like free housing, free education, food stamps, free medical care, general relief and welfare payments, etc. These changes will eliminate the incentive for people to infiltrate our country and they will not only stop coming but they will go home. However, until the political climate changes none of these essential changes will occur and foreigners will continue to come and continue to burden our countries' tax and social welfare system.
People who want to come to this country and enjoy the benefits of a free country are not bad people. We should do the following: 1. Create the legal environment already outlined here. 2. Create a system that ensures that the rights of American citizens come before the rights of foreigners. 3. Build processing facilities on the U.S./Mexico border like Ellis Island or the Tower of Hope. 4. At the processing facilities we can ensure that those entering the country can at least communicate in basic English, have skills that make them employable and which do not compete with American workers, have no communicable diseases, are not terrorists or convicted felons. People who do not meet the criteria must be prohibited from entering the country.
We should create a fast track system to naturalized citizenship, for people who enter the country legally. That's how our ancestors got here.
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