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if we lose this election? Hear me out here. Hillary pretty much only has to win four or five toss up states and she wins most likely. If she wins this time, I'm not sure a Republican ever wins again.
Now, I don't have much use for Republicans but the future looks pretty much like Americans against everyone else and the Americans are way outnumbered in our own country. We've been bred out. A slightly less horrific version of South Africa is in our future.
I don't think the country as a whole can be saved, but I think parts of it can.
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I agree, it's been coming ever since the Reagan administration.
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You won't be allowed to secede.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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You won't be allowed to secede.
Dave That is immaterial to the discussion. The question was if you would be ready. And it will happen eventually whether it is allowed or not. Economic collapse will eventually do the trick.
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You won't be allowed to secede.
Dave Right. Don't like it, enter stage left the US Military. Not enough muscle? UN forces would be all to happy to step in and help. The only options as I see it is sit tight, vote EVERY opportunity you have and hope the tides turn, or emigrate to another country. But what country is "better" than where we live now? As a gun enthusiast there are no freedoms anywhere else like what we have here currently. The writing is on the wall though...how many years till we are Venezuela? Succession won't happen...
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Kansas - Cattle, grain, oil/gas
Oklahoma - Cattle, grain, oil/gas
Texas - Cattle, oil/gas, coastline
Arkansas - water
Louisiana - Coastline, oil/gas, controls the Mississippi
Arizona - Outpost to guard our western flank against the Kalipornians trying the reverse the Grapes of
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If the Soviet Union can break apart more or less peacefully, anything can happen. I'm pretty sure ours will be more like Yugoslavia though. There is some serious bad blood building. Let it simmer for another twenty years or so.
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You won't be allowed to secede.
Dave Spot on.
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That is immaterial to the discussion. The question was if you would be ready.
No. I am not yet ready to secede. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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If the Soviet Union can break apart more or less peacefully, anything can happen. I'm pretty sure ours will be more like Yugoslavia though. There is some serious bad blood building. Let it simmer for another twenty years or so. Are you ready to lead your state to secession? It's not exactly an individual choice. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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If the Soviet Union can break apart more or less peacefully, anything can happen. I'm pretty sure ours will be more like Yugoslavia though. There is some serious bad blood building. Let it simmer for another twenty years or so. Are you ready to lead your state to secession? It's not exactly an individual choice. Dave Sure it is. People start talking about it more openly and realistically and over time, consensus builds. Then you just need something to kick it off. In the US the event will be the collapse of the dollar. When that happens there will be complete disarray and state and local governments will step in to fill the void. Some of those will decide they don't need or want the Feds. Why should should a state allow its crops to be taken and sent to feed people in cities a thousand miles away if it means its citizens will go without? Some won't allow it without a fight. Our union is incredibly fragile. The emotional and cultural bonds that hold it together are being stripped away before your eyes. Soon the only thing keeping it together will be economic. When the inevitable economic crash comes, that bond will be gone as well and the union will actually become a millstone around the neck of states and regions.
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Our union is incredibly fragile. The emotional and cultural bonds that hold it together are being stripped away before your eyes.
OBunghole has done his work well.
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Nice theoretical discussion, like "... How Many Angels Can Dance On the Head Of A Pin ..." No matter how many say they are ready to leave ... at the end of the day there would never be enough to see it through. And ... as stated above ... Big Brother in Washington would not sit idly by ... there would be a fight. Sort of "... been there ... done that already ..." and it didn't work too well for a lot of folks. What might work is this: A Convention of States under Article V. of the Constitution. See: http://www.conventionofstates.com/
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I believe that everyone understands your frustrations. However, as Dave says, "It is not an individual choice." Should a state secede with a majority in agreement, what do you do with those that don't want secession? What do you do with those receiving government subsidies? And, the most important question, what do you do about the 14% of Americans over the age of 65 that are relying on Social Security? Tell your Mother and Father that you're sorry but they will just have to fend for themselves. Additionally, what do you think the stock market would do if there was a secession attempt? The world would be affected so profoundly that the government would have no choice but to send in the Army to enforce unity, just like in 1861.
Secession is an interesting thought but there is no way it can be allowed to happen. To prevent any possibility of it happening, we the people must get off of our couches and vote. If that happens, I believe your question becomes moot. If not, then the voting republic has spoken and that is what the country will have to live with. If we don't agree with that outcome, we can try to change it during the next election cycle or move to another country. Which I guess would be an individual secession.
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Nice theoretical discussion, like "... How Many Angels Can Dance On the Head Of A Pin ..." No matter how many say they are ready to leave ... at the end of the day there would never be enough to see it through. And ... as stated above ... Big Brother in Washington would not sit idly by ... there would be fight. Sort of "... been there ... done that already ..." and it didn't work too well for a lot of folks. What might work is this: A Convention of States under Article V. of the Constitution. See: http://www.conventionofstates.com/ The union is not eternal. It will happen eventually. It might be more accurate to call it a breakup instead of secession but ALL THINGS END at some point. 200 trillion dollars or so in liabilities that are due over the next fifty to sixty years tells me that we have put ourselves in a fatally flawed position.
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I believe that everyone understands your frustrations. However, as Dave says, "It is not an individual choice." Should a state secede with a majority in agreement, what do you do with those that don't want secession? What do you do with those receiving government subsidies? And, the most important question, what do you do about the 14% of Americans over the age of 65 that are relying on Social Security? Tell your Mother and Father that you're sorry but they will just have to fend for themselves. Additionally, what do you think the stock market would do if there was a secession attempt? The world would be affected so profoundly that the government would have no choice but to send in the Army to enforce unity, just like in 1861.
Secession is an interesting thought but there is no way it can be allowed to happen. To prevent any possibility of it happening, we the people must get off of our couches and vote. If that happens, I believe your question becomes moot. If not, then the voting republic has spoken and that is what the country will have to live with. If we don't agree with that outcome, we can try to change it during the next election cycle or move to another country. Which I guess would be an individual secession. I already answered all that. There will come a day in the not too distant future when the dollar is worth nothing and the only thing the Feds offer is a share of a massive debt. When that happens, none of those things you mentioned mean a thing.
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Eh, I got nothing else to do. This house b itching thing is getting old.
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Sadly, we can't vote our way out of this.
But, we must try.
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I already answered all that. There will come a day in the not too distant future when the dollar is worth nothing and the only thing the Feds offer is a share of a massive debt. When that happens, none of those things you mentioned mean a thing.
No. You didn't. 1,000,000 like minded people can't do anything. They need to consolidate the power. You ready to tackle that project? Dave
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I already answered all that. There will come a day in the not too distant future when the dollar is worth nothing and the only thing the Feds offer is a share of a massive debt. When that happens, none of those things you mentioned mean a thing.
No. You didn't. 1,000,000 like minded people can't do anything. They need to consolidate the power. You ready to tackle that project? Dave When the government is worse than dead broke, there will be a power vacumn.
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