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How does a wolf count as a dog??

buffhunter, I think I have finally realized what the problem is here. Some people think of wolves as some kind of feral dog, rather than a separate species. That's completely wrong of course, but it's the only way I can understand the confusion shown by that comment.

Hmmm,

Can a Wolf breed a female dog? Separate species, well yes, but not as separate as you might like us to think.

I don't want you to think anything. Anyone who cannot understand why wolves are not used in dog fighting contests probably believes that if a gorilla could out-wrestle a human then we would see them in the WWF.

I have no idea of how a large wild wolf, such as the ones in Alaska, would do against a dog. However there is one thing for certain the dog can't do, and that's to crack the heaviest moose bone to get the marrow out. Wolves can.

McInnis,

Must be a bad day for me or something. I have no idea what you are trying to say.

I don't think wolves are used in dog fighting contests for one reason, they don't win. This ole world we live in is fueled by money. And you can bet that those who are into dog fighting, do it mainly for the gambling aspects. If some clown thought he could win some money by fighting a wolf against a Pitbull, he would.

He'd figure out someway to get one. My best buddy had a wolf hybrid in the early 80's. I remember going to get it with him. The guy raising those hybrids had a big Timber wolf he used as a stud. Big black one. Beautiful animal. His eyes never left you. I guess if he could get one, others could too. Seems a shame to me to take an animal that's conditioned to live in the wild and then put him in a pen.

Whatever. The original question was...



I still stand by my original statements that a pack of wolves would eat a Pitbull. One on one, my money goes on the Pitbull.

YMMV

It used to be, and some still feel it is like this:
Canus lupus = wolf
Canus familiaris = dog
Same genus, different species.

However, from the link http://www.fiu.edu/~milesk/intro.htm :

"In 1993, the dog (Canis lupus familiaris) was reclassified under the species status of the gray wolf (Canis lupus) in Mammal Species of the World: A Taxonomic & Geographic Reference, the internationally recognized taxonomical publication, printed by the Smithsonian Institute and the American Society of Mammalogists. So the timber wolf (Canis lupus nubilus), the arctic wolf (Canis lupus arctos), and the dog (Canis lupus familiaris) are all subspecies under the genetic umbrella of the gray wolf. Some scientists believe that the dog should, more specifically, be referred to as a domestic variant of the gray wolf (still under the species designation of Canis lupus) rather than as a subspecies of gray wolf (i.e., equal to the arctic wolf) because of its domestic status."

So, the above means that they are considered as the same genus and species, but different subspecies.
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As long as we are sliding into the realm of the absurd, I'd say that 721 might be on to something here. Tying knives to his chickens might not be too far off! With genetic alteration, we could give cows dragon skin, monitor lizard teeth, hippo heads, and stiletto heels. We could make them REAL MEAN. Of course, they might be hard to round up, and those high heels might give the cowboys some ugly ideas.

Well, maybe not such a good idea.

I'm impressed with the loyalty of pit bull fans, even though I think their faith is folly.

You guys that are into this animal fight thing might be interested in this web page:
http://www.vidarena.com/index.php?video1=pit+bull&video2=wolf&action=match
I'm not sure how they decide this stuff, but you type in which animals you want to fight. I have not tried chickens...er...I mean...fightin' roosters yet.

Its my understanding that wolves usually don't do so well against critters that can grab hold of them and hang on, like cats and wolverines. Wolves were made to grab on and pull big chunks of muscle and guts out; to clip moose and deer bones and tendons in two. They can't do that very well with something that is hanging on to them. The voice at the end of the following wolf-wolverine fight sounds kinda like Marty Stauffer (sp?), doesn't it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ryzqw6ZPE4

You guys can find all kinds of stuff on youtube and other places. They have lion and wolf fights , tiger and bull mastiff fights, etc...... Fodder for the Romans. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Having spent quite a bit of time in Thailand, I've actually helped a friend train his "boxing hens" (as he calls them).

They sometimes use "pads" over the spurs when training and (in some fights, based upon how they agreed to the rules) they do strap on metal spurs.

Although illegal in Thailand, it is actually quite common, but is losing some popularity due to the asian bird flu scare.

Based upon what I've seen, the spurs do a lot of the "instant" damage by ripping up the birds bodies, but many roosters also die due to pecking. This usually causes a lot of blood flow into the throat of the bird, which results in choking on the blood, and/or weakness due to blood loss.

They typically pull a feather and run it down the birds throat to try and manage the bleeding and/or clear the throat of blood.

Experienced handlers/owners supposedly can listen to the injured roosters attempt to crow and tell you if the rooster will live or die. (Its a pretty grim sound. Imagine a rooster trying to crow and gargle at the same time.).

It's a very brutal sport, but the "boxing hens" seem to rather fight than do anything else (except maybe to "crow").

Dude, wake up. A wolf is still in the Canine family, a bear is a bear

Hard to tell how a wolf will fight a dog. A large wolf of Alaska weights around 155 pounds, it can easily crack moose and caribou bones to get marrow out, so it's jaw is much more powerful than most dogs. Their canines are extremely long and sharp, and they use these to slash hide and flesh or take chunks of meat from its prey. Like bears and other animals they may use their shoulders to bump another wolf of its feet, and rip the entrails out if the other animal falls on its side.

Most often they refrain from biting their prey's legs to avoid injury, but place flank attacks to slash the prey's paunch. A large slash on this area disembowels its prey and bleeds it rapidly. They also take chucks of the prey's bowels until it drops. Out in the wilderness I doubt any dog can be as smart as a wolf to survive, but I imagine that a fighting dog has a chance to win a fight with a lone wolf, even it if can't survive in the wild. But how could one catch a wild wolf and train it to fight dogs? That makes no sense to me at all, because to take such an animal out of its environment would make it as vulnerable to attacks as a brand new illegal alien in the South Bronx <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> (fresh bait).

Wolves also fight bears and other animals, but they do it as a group, not alone. They slash at a bear's flank or rear while one or two distract the bear from the front without getting too close. And refrain from frontal attacks to avoid injury, the same way that the avoid frontal or rear attacks on a moose or caribou legs. As intelligent as they are, they exploit any weaknesses of their prey, and maintain the pressure of an attack until the animal tires and beds down.

Now, there have been lots of documented cases of wolf hybrids Alaska mushers used in the past, where some of these animals would kill Husky and other dogs in a matter of seconds. For example, in the book titled, "Alaska's Wolf Man," there there was a half wolf-half dog called Kenay, and this one was charged by two dogs when the musher drove his dogs to Fairbanks. The wolf dog turned on the two large dogs, and the first thing he did was to crack the front-paw bones of the first dog, disemboweled in a matter of seconds, and then killed it. The other dog ran, but he chased after it killing it.

Now, if anybody here wants to read a great Alaska book, get your hands on that book. You just won't believe how tough these old timers were, and how they could handle the most dangerous animals in Alaska. The book is about a guy named Frank Glazer. You start reading the book and don't want to put it down. It's that good. Have you watched the movie by the green and liberal Robert Redford-called Jeremiah Johnson? Well Frank Glazer was a real jeremiah and professional hunter, just a little tougher. It's a 300-page+ book, so you will enjoy reading it from page to page.

By the way, I have no connections whatsoever to the publishers or writers of this book. Somebody told me about it at an Alaska forum, and my wife put it in my Christmas stocking <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Been married for over 26 years to the nicest woman in the whole world, the most gentle soul, and beautiful inside and out. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Lions/bears run from dog packs because and injury however small could be their death same as wolves. Males are at a disadvantage because of their groan. Dogs in packs circle around and try and latch on to their groan. Same for bears. Imagine a dog burying his teeth into your sack and then shaking it violently. I have seen this happen on a male bear that appeared one morning in our farm yard and our 2 shepards went to work on him. Driven by instinct I don't know why but they knew exactly how to work the boar. The bear was sitting and spinning around in circles after one of the shepards had snapped his groin. Just figured I throw in that observation to stir up the thread. Throw another log on the fire. Very interesting thread but I believe it is a never-ending story. Also I might add that Wolverines have and advantage over other 4 legged carnivores and that is their skunk like glands. They drive wolf packs away by making the meat stink so badly that no animal will eat it after it has sprayed it.

Buff if you want to talk about chickens start another thread this is about dogs, no offense intended. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

some people just dont have a clue.... even when they watch it happen they dont even know what they saw...

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Using that logic, grizzly bears would also have been used for dog fighting by now as well.


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How is a Grizzly bear count as a dog?? WTF?


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How does a wolf count as a dog??


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Dude, wake up. A wolf is still in the Canine family, a bear is a bear

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So apparently you interpret "dog fighting" as "canine (Canidae family) fighting"?

I must have missed that decision <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />, while I was dozing!

Actually, for what it is worth, some members of the Canidae family are not in the Canis genus (foxes, etc.).

378Canuck:

None taken, my Canadian neighbor.

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Good comeback, you clever fella. Interesting discussion but dogs all come from ancient wolf stock, they go back millions of years. In caveman times wolves came to campfires for scraps and thus began the domestication process. They are the root of all dogs, they are crafty and can learn quickly. But they are designed to bring down large animals not fight within pits, the pit bull would win in the pit, no doubt in my mind. I have seen a pit bull kill a large doberman in minutes. No contest. He latched on to the throat and game over. But not in the open where the wolf could use his speed. The snap and run method would have that pit bled to death or hamstrung within short order. The pit would never be able to latch on because the wolf would avoid that ugly bear trap jaw. A wolf can run 50 miles without stopping. how far could that pit run after that wolf before he was played out. This is when the crafty wolf would make it's move.

I sure wish you fellers would figure out which one can and load up a pack of them and bring them here to Idaho cuzz one dog is not going to do it and I doubt a pack would fight together for the common cause, as the Wolf does....

But,I have an open mind and would love to see any tough dog, atleast,try.Just isn't going to happen.

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No doubt wolves can work well as a team same as lions do. Like I said before no contest in a cage, I've seen a wolf in a trap and it was all cowered up in the corner like a beaten animal with almost no will to live anymore. It actually was shaking and curled in a ball in the corner. Take them away from their family(pack) and they are hooped, they don't know how to live anymore. Even when the door was sprung open it didn't come out for 20 mins. It pissed itself and whimpered like a pup. Who in their right mind would throw in a pit bull with that poor wolf after seeing that. They would have to be some kind of mental cases.

Here's a scenario. The biggest, baddest wolf in the land decides he wants a sheep for supper. He tips to a nearby farm ALONE to get his treat. He eases down into the flock and finds himself face to face with the baddest 65 lb. pit bull in the land and decides the pit bull will satisfy his hunger. Wolf experts, How do you suppose he'll bring the little 65 pounder down. Remember, he's by himself, no other wolves will come to his rescue. My money would be on the pit bull.

The wolf will turn and run and come back later when the little 65 pounder is soundly asleep. He doesn't have to mix it up with that mutt and risk even the slightest injury, which could be his demise.