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Well, they didn't have the organized "Bible" but they certainly had the apostle's and Paul's individual letters to the churches and individuals on hand. They just weren't fully organized into the canon of scripture yet so to say they had no scriptures is not correct. The latest NT book to be written was probably Revelation and that was by the 90's AD.

So, all these books were circulating around to the first century churches.

All they had were the teachings of Jesus remembered by those who heard Jesus teach. Paul didn't even show up for about 20 years, and his writings didn't circulate for another 20 or 30 or even 40 years later. The Gospels were written between 70 and 90 A.D.

I've been preaching for about 20 years and I almost never preach on end times events per se in a sermon dedicated to eschatology.

I think Christians need to spend more time learning how they should live right now rather than how the world will end.
I am not saying "end times teaching" is unimportant, but encouraging people to live pure and serve God more fully is much more important.

No, that wasn't all they had. They had the Holy Spirit. So do we, and He changes everything.

Well, that's what I said--Jesus and what He taught is the basis for Christianity as passed on by those who witnessed Him to the early church. Paul had a direct revelation from the post-Ascension Christ.

What is your point?

Edit: and Ricky is right!

I do too. I prefer an emphasis on Grace and the Power of God in us, than I do sin and it's consequences. That's fine for the unsaved, but even so, understanding who we are in Christ will draw more to Him, than fear of the penalty of sin. Races are not won looking back.

William Albright, who was not a Christian but a world class Ph.D archaeologist, said the entire New Testament was finished by the year 70AD. I think I will take the word of someone who actually dug up the area to make his discoveries rather than someone posting on the 'net.

A couple points:

1. Why would it necessitate that the Apostles write while they could actively preach?

2. And, it was not just the Apostles who "circulated" and preached. The early Church (numbering in the 100s), after suffering persecution, were scattered abroad preaching the Gospel...thus fulfill the Great Commission to preach the Gospel throughout the whole world.

rphguy,



What Parts of the New Testament are we to obey and what Parts are we not to obey?

The New Testament was the Devil's work. Gotta love everyone running around and bowing to a false prophet.

The author does a good job...speaking for the Devil.

You'll need to be more specific. I'm sure you have some in mind that you would rather not obey...and some that you have no problem with.

Scholars date Paul's conversion in the late 30's AD, only a few years after Jesus' Crucifixion. He studied under the Jewish theologian Gamaliel who died in 50 AD. It's believed that Paul studied under him for about 10 years before his conversion. He started his 1st missionary journey around 45 AD.

The majority of so-called end of days prophesy and the what and when is a Protestant construct and most of it is less than 200 years old and wrong.

The modern nation-state of Israel has nothing to do with God's chosen people or Biblical prophesy. We, The Church are Israel. All the promises are fulfilled. Israel the nation-state has nothing else coming to them or any special standing.



Not true. The Greeks had compiled all the ancient Jewish texts into the Septuagint and basically were worshiping God long before Christ was born. By doing so, the Greeks had actually preserved the original writings when the Hebrew texts were lost or destroyed.

When Christ and the Apostles were quoting what is now OT scripture, they were quoting from the Septuagint which was in common use at that time.

The Masoretic texts that the Reformers copied and translated for the Protestant Bible didn't become Jewish canon until about 1000 AD or so. The Masoretic texts were written in a manner to try and disprove Jesus Christ as the Messiah. They left several things out of some of the books that are found in the original Hebrew scriptures that were eventually translated into the Septuagint.

All of it. Those people were sheep shaggers riddled with syphilis.

Eschatology, scatology ... it all comes out in the end.

A word of warning. Ringman's a pharisee under the law. A law he creates in the New Testament though the sacrifice of Christ fulfilled all law. He's also leading and deceptive, thus his lead in about what to obey in the NT. He has no concept of Grace and is thoroughly intractable.

You must be related to mohick.

I always enjoyed the section about Noah, mostly because I like animals.

That the foundation of the Christian faith is not The Bible. The foundation of the Christian faith is not the infallibility or inerrancy of The Bible. The foundation of the Christian faith is something that happened in history...Jesus came to the earth and walked upon it, represented God, was God, and procured our salvation through His death and resurrection. *He* is the foundation of the Christian faith.