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As the target shows, I was still trying to adjust the red dot.
Most of what I shot was 55 grain Win bulk.

Then decided it was time to try the 62's and 77's. I don't know if the 62's or 77's hit where I wanted. But I do know a red/green dot is not for Moa shooting with me behind the weapon. I think the AR will do what is asked of it, but must work on which scope then reloads.

All I shot was factory today.

The Noveske is a good one for me.

to me the $2k ar 15 is dead. Its simply a joke to spend that much money now days. thats all I am saying. I care about accuracy and comfort shooting and reliability. you can get that way way less than that.

no one will ever agree on guns much less how much a buck is worth. there are folks who could care less about spending 5k on a gun just because they want it... and they do that over and over again. worry about things you can do something about.

oh yea, here's a pig.

Didn't have any problems with it at all.

Ran just fine, does need a scope. I'll take care of that, soon.

Damn comfortable to shoot also.

reliability- it's too new to tell currently.

Nice pig

Your little night scope cost more or close to what my AR 15 cost.
Glad you bought it cause you do shoot lots of hogs at night. Love to have night vision. Keep after them djones.

I have red dots, actually Holosights, on several of my AR's. The center dot on the holosight is one MOA. Still, to work up loads I use a scope. Eotech holosights have had some pushback recently due to sight picture variance in very cold or very hot weather. I've never had a bad experience that way as I will probably never hunt in weather that approaches -40 or +122.

FWIW, I have found that transferring a sighted scope from one AR to another will allow me to find the hole shot with the newly scoped AR on a blank target at 100 yards, and usually easily.

So I took the red dot back to Cabelas and bought this scope.
All is lose in pic, just starting to set it up. Needed some lunch.



1x4x24. That will work fine for what I'm using this AR for. Little target, little hog hunting etc.

Regardless of the X of the optics, make sure the target works with it.

I used to be able to shoot sub moa out a long ways with irons...

Targets matter.

I'll stop at the LGS on the way out tomorrow. Maybe I can find some
paper 100 yard military type. Something different than current I'm using.

Don't know what you are expecting, but very few (maybe none) chrome lined barrels will make 10 shot sub-MOA groups, regardless of what some might say/think..........if you're shooting 3 shot groups, then maybe.

If you are able to get 1.25-1.5 MOA with a decent scope, I think that would be very good.

MM

don't set your expectations too high with practice ammo. Also 2 MOA red dot still can hit stuff at 100 or better. Here is a cheap OEM Colt with chromed barrel and red dot against a Noveske 18 inch barrel with NF 2.5-10 rifles scope both at 100 yards with XM193. east to see a 10X NF scope with .25MOA crosshair, parallax adjustment and 500? SS barrel vs a $750 gun with chrome lined and 2MOA red dot, both shooting XM193. I think my challenge score would be about 2MOA for this ammo and the Noveske and 3MOA with the Colt. Colt needs a new trigger its not as good as the last one I had. My apologies to RRA lovers everywhere..

apologies... you shot the ammo to likely the best the ammo can do...no apologies there. Even an RRA wouldn't have done better. LOL.

Thanks for all the info once again guys.
Played a bum today and didn't go to the range.

Will be interesting to me after I get the scope sighted in to see what I can do with rifle using the factory stuff first.
I'm really interested in the 77 grain bullet.

Guess I need to looked at Midway or somewhere like that. Maybe they will carry a few boxes of bullets that I want. Almost 90% here local seem to be 55 grain of different styles.

Rain in forecast Friday

Try these two.

IMI 77 gr Razorcore

Black Hills 77 grain SMK

Not cheap, but w/o handloading, that's the price of admission.

MM

If HSM is still around, and I believe they are, th 69 and 77s from they usually shot really well....FWIW

PSA has 62 grain Gold Dot's on sale sometimes for 10 bucks a box plus free shipping om 10 boxes. I bought 10 a while ago and just tried it on four new builds. It shoots pretty good. I'd guess all my rifles shot it a little over an inch to a little under 2. I found out the one that went wide at 2 had a loose rear scope mount. We'll try that again before lone.

I'll be buying another 10 boxes the next time I see them on sale.

I just checked and they do have 55 grain Gold Dots on sale for 10 bucks and box and free shipping on 10 or more. Gonna pull the trigger on 10 here. 62 shot pretty good, so 55 might too.

Thought I should add, too, I have no experience with factory ammo. I handload most all of what I shoot. Just thought I should dabbel and find out what shoots good with good bullets. I know nothing of Gold Dot rifle bullets either but they come from a good pedigree, for whatever that is worth in commercial enterprise.

Thanks guys. I have let's say a lot of 223 on hand.
I'm guessing 99% is 55 grain of some bulk or other.
All of that is factory loads.

So the midway or whomever is just for 62 to 77 grain bullets for me to reload and try. If I find the one I'm looking for, will turn around and reorder more than one box of that bullet.

Loaded ammo is available right now in all of the mentioned loads, weights, and brands currently but I just want to do the loading cause factory is expensive with any volume of shooting of the upper weights of 69 to 77 grains.

Going to have fun.

Know what I like in 308, 45-70 bpcr and the 44 mag. on to 223/556 now.

Waiting in line
44-40 BP 73 Win
8mm Mauser
30-40 Krag
ETC.

Not a lot of sense in buying too much factory 77 gr. premium stuff........if you're going to start reloading for 5.56.

The history of what bullets works is pretty clear for the most part.

In 77 grain bullets, Berger Tactical, Sierra SMK & TMK, Nosler CC, Hornady 75 OTM's pretty much never don't work.

In 69/68 grain weights, Sierra SMK & TMK, Nosler CC, & Hornady 68 OTM's are the class of the lot &, as with the 77's, is pretty much all you will find in premium factory ammo from various sources.

Umpteen good powders as well, use a tougher primer like CCI-41, CCI BR4, CCI 450, Rem 7 1/2 & you'll be fine.

I wouldn't waste too much money testing lots factory premium ammo other than maybe for a baseline to compare your handloads to.

JMHO, YMMV

MM

Ordered a box of SMK in 77 and 69. Will be here next week.

The TSX's are on BO.

We'll see.

Thanks

I was almost never let down by SMKs.

I have been let down by Hornady and Nosler. Nosler sorted out their issues. Hornady has had some bad lots but made good on replacing them, and the HPBTs used to never like to be kicked hard in the tail, while the AMAX never bothered them for some reason.

I have never had an issue on more custom bullets from JLK or Berger.

Primers mentioned are good to go. PIck your powder.

Caveat I have so much brass and so many bullets and since we don't shoot competition anymore, I"ve not had to buy anything since 2005 or so and I still am finding boxes of 500 of this and that and a couple of cases of? bullets that I didn't realize I still had. So things may have changed.