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If you have a 40 S&W and want to test some, I can send you some of my new 200 gr Nosler loads in the 40, I was astounded at the penetration, and think you would be too, it's a book load of Longshot powder in new WW brass.

thanks Gunner, just a 9mm and 380

10-4 buddy.

Still trying to come to terms with why a 200 gr hp at 1040 fps out penetrated my 140 gr buzzsaw Barnes at 1250, gotta be a momentum deal at work here.

Momentum and expanded sectional density (sectional density before impact is irrelevant here, if they both expand). That Barnes bullet throws out a big parachute on impact; it probably does more damage in the first 6" but slows down faster compared to your Nosler, right?

That 140gr Barnes has no relation to what the 140gr Lehigh will do though, not even close.

I couldn't tell the difference in the unscientific wet newsprint test medium, what blew me away was the 200 gr Nosler HP went 7 to 8"s deeper than the Barnes, TWICE!

The 230 XTP will also out penetrate the 185 XPD in wet news print, in my experience.

10-4 JWP, the 40's kinda got me thinking about packing it with the 200 grainers when I'm bowhunting on the ground in feral hog country.

Forgot to mention the Noslers held their jackets too JWP, another surprise, thought sure they'd shuck em.

I'm liking that bullet in my 40.

Run one of those Lehigh XTreme Penetrators in 9mm, .40 S&W, 10mm or 45 ACP through boxes filled with wet newspaper. I was reading a report on the Lehigh Penetrators, but I can't remember the caliber or the amount of wet news print it penetrated. What I DO remember is the Penetrator went completely through their wet newspaper, then through 4 gallon milk jugs filled with water and impacted a concrete wall behind the media, knocking a chunk from the wall. The round was not deformed much at all.

I think these XTreme Penetrator rounds give the little .380 some teeth finally. I won't load them for carry in my Glock 20. It would probably penetrate 3 people. Lehigh makes two carry alternatives: XTreme Defender. In my 10mm the XTreme Defender has the same Philips head screw driver look, weighs 115 grains and the MV is 1700 fps. The other load is the Fragmenter. It is a 140 grain hollow point with a MV of 1500 fps. It is supposed to expand immediately once it enters the body, rather than the petals staying with the core and plowing on out the other side. The petals and core are supposed to fragment inside the body. This is some baddass ammo. It shoots very accurately out of both of the my Glocks and my Para Ordinance Executive carry. When my girls get through their CC classes, I'm going to load them up with the 9mm XTreme Defenders. My daughter has a Glock 17 and my lovely bride has a Glock 19.

MD, yes, they are plows for sure and certain, Not implying my surprised finding that the 200 gr Nosler from my 40 would compete on penetration, no way it will, just very pleased that it out penetrated my 140 buzzsaw Barnes load, and HELD it's jacket.

If I carried, or all I had was a 380 that's the only bullet I'd shoot in it, sounds like a little trained paperwork and you'll have the ladies set too.

Gunner,

I got all my in-service training records from when I was a Deputy in Texas. I attended a 2-week training course in firearms instruction that was taught by The Texas Department of Public Safety. I took the course in 1991. I served as one of the departmental firearms instructors until 2000.

Plus, I have my Retired Peace Officer Concealed Carry Permit. I've submitted them to the Illinois State Police. I imagine things will slow to a crawl now, but eventually I'l get my CC Instructor License. They'll be in the first class I teach. That'll save us $75 each on their permits. Still have to pay for the background check, but every little bit helps.