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The same can all be said of all the nations of men.

You and I agree there has been no Judaism since 70 AD. There is no (biblically) meaningful Israel. With all the dispersions there is barely a provable bloodline to Abraham, and the vast majority of Israeli citizens are agnostic.

God has no more displeasure with the nation state of Israel than He does with any of the rest of us. Nor does He hold them in any higher disdain that any other; the free offer of salvation is open to any and all. The advantages that Paul points out concerning those of Jewish lineage and their knowledge of the Scriptures and reverence for God still stands for those who find themselves in that state.

Sin is sin and murder is murder; all who sin are complicit in the murder of our Lord. You and me no more nor less than Levi Kohn.

TRH wants the New Testament Lord to destroy the state of Israel.
Soros is spending some of his money to do the Lord's work.

8/17/16 Over the weekend hackers leaked reams of confidential reports from the Open Society Foundations, hedge-fund billionaire George Soros’s ostensible charitable network, to the DC Leaks website. 

DC Leaks is believed to be backed by Russian intelligence agencies. Soros, who is of Hungarian Jewish origin, is a major supporter of the Democratic Party and a dogged opponent of the state of Israel, or—at the very least—of the policies and values embodied by its elected governments.

The leaks shed new light on the intensity of Soros’s animus against the Jewish state. One of the Open Society Foundations’ aims was to “challeng[e] Israel’s racist and anti-democratic policies” and subvert its image as a democracy in the international arena.

One way Soros’s outfit did that was to funnel funds to highly adversarial Israel-based organizations. Since 2001 the largest total, almost $2.7 million, has gone to the Israeli Arab NGO Adalah. As NGO Monitor details, Adalah vilifies Israel as a “colonial enterprise” and “apartheid state,” charges it with “war crimes,” and calls for its international isolation.

Another $1 million has gone to another Israeli Arab NGO, the I’lam Media Center.

TRH........ often wrong, but never in doubt.

Feel better?

I'd still like to hear more about the fluoride. Or Masons.

I did have some misgivings about starting this thread. Until I read TRH's response.
I detest bigotry of all forms. I understand forgiving those who preach it. That is not easy for me to do when the dogmatism is repeated over and over.
The weekend reports about Soros need to be aired. (pun intended).

The Jewish Press reported on the circular nature of the funding. Soros funds groups directly, and other groups that fund other groups. He created an anti-Israel ecosystem:
Jewish Hungarian-American business magnate George Soros, whose company files were hacked by the same outfit that in June hacked the DNC computers, was a major contributor to anti-Israel and anti-Zionist causes, as appears from an archive of leaked documents of the DC Leaks website…

On the point you and I (as well as Augustine) shall disagree.

I would also suggest that your characterization of Christianity as historically anti Semitic is until the error of dispensationalsiism is overly simplistic.

Yours is a very new doctrine. St. Augustine only represented common, Biblically based, Christian thought when he said that "The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus." This statement parallels 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15, and many other verses in the New Testament.

Of course a Jew who accepts Christ ceases being a Jew and, by having his guilt washed clean, is fully redeemed.

It was only with the advent of the grave error of Dispensationalism, at the close of the 19th Century, that the sentiment expressed in the Augustine quote above (paralleled by every major Christian figure of the ancient world) subsided from common Christian opinion. That should tell you something.

Oh boy!

You are even off the reservation of what is called amillennialism by some but that view does spawn anti-Judaism and I've seen it time and again. BTW, the early Church fathers until at least late 200's AD were premillennialist and believed in a literal thousand year Millennium and a role for ethnic Israel in it.

Augustine spiritualized these scriptures because he was influenced by Origen of the Alexanderian school in Egypt and was influenced by Greek Philosophy as he tried to combat other heresies. "Spiritualizing" scriptures always opens the door to liberalism or wrong doctrine--it's like opening the door to an empty room where everybody then puts in their style of furniture.

This became RC doctrine and then went through the Reformation unreformed and here you are calling Israel a terrorist organization. Not so nasty my friend. Might not the Balfor Declaration in '17 and Israeli independence in '48 be hinting at God working through time and geopolitics to regather some of His chicks?

Curious, do you belong to RC Sprouls church?

No surprise about Soros wanting to eliminate Israel. Soros hates God, that's why he does everything to eliminate worship of God and why he promotes Atheism and worship of the false god, Allah.

You have to do a lot of fancy "reasoning" to get around the fact that the Christ of the New Testament identified the Judaism of his day (the Judaism of the "Traditions of the Elders" - later to be codified as the Talmud - which Christ identified as the "traditions of men," "making the word of God of none effect" - Mark 7:6-13) as a body of false and ungodly doctrines that lead its adherents to destruction. If, after the application of said "reasoning," you find yourself departing from this simple statement, then you are, by so doing, departing from the plain teachings of Christ.

Of course Orthodox Judaism is wrong. They denied Christ and now still "miss" that He came; no argument there but many traditions of men, even of the Reformers, are wrong. That's no argument at all that God is completely through with the "vine" that gentile believers were grafted into.

And I usually find "your side" the most arrogantly vociferous in defense or rebuttal or condescension.

If I'm wrong, show me where. If Christ didn't identify what is today called Judaism as a body of false and ungodly doctrines, show me. If he did, then you must admit that no state founded and sustained to the present day on the basis of said religion could accomplish anything but evil.