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The rotten-a$$ government has no business telling adults what substances they can or can't ingest. *Only* when harm to another person is the direct result of that ingestion should the government step in and have a say-so.

What are they saying? You shouldn't get stoned and drive? Earth shattering!

People behaving recklessly and irresponsibly is nothing new. Tracking folks involved in accidents in relation to THC in their system is.

Some people realize it is preposterous to 'blame the gun' for the actions of the user, but ironically, will be quick to 'blame the weed' for the actions of the user.

Yep. It's pretty simple, really. Alcohol users and their intoxicant of choice is OK...but marijuana users and their intoxicant of choice is not OK. Hypocritical to the Nth degree.

Yeah, well said.

Oregon's recreational industry launches for real here in the next couple months. We've been in a transitional period where what were previously medical dispensaries could sell a limited amount to non-medical-cardholders... 1/4 oz I believe. Anyway, yes, the stuff is lab tested to establish potency as well as the ratios of the various cannaboids. Turns out, THC is only one of them. Some folks are very actively trying not to get high-THC pot and are after the CBD's.

I rode with an engineer friend the other day and he told me some interesting stuff. He's had a medical grow license for years. He's a sharp guy and very curious. He'd been experimenting with making tinctures, using various methods, then getting them lab tested. Of interest to me was that he'd had basic butter tested. I make butter then make caramels with that- more below. What was interesting was that the THC doesn't carbolyze efficiently from its acid (non-pschoactive) form. Chemistry majors, I apologize, but I'm gonna call that THC(a).

So, THC(a) is not psychoactive. This is why it is traditionally smoked: that carbolyzes it into THC, and you catch a buzz. However some of the doctors on the cutting edge believe that THC(a) has enormous health benefits, in really sick folks, to the point that they are having patients actually juice what would otherwise be huge quantities of leaf and flower, and drink it, to get all that THC(a) without getting high.

What's interesting to me about it is that that his butter, made the the way I make it, had only carbolyzed about 20% of the THC(a) into THC. This has been intriguing to me for the last year, because I've been making the butter with what appear to be LARGE quantities of chopped up flowers (buds) and have been a little surprised that it hasn't been more potent. It doesn't matter, mind you, because since the stuff is damn near free if you grow it yourself, who cares... but I was mildly interested.

Concurrent with starting to make and ingest these caramels in the evening, ive seen a fairly remarkable change in my "drug life": I virtually never take ibuprofen anymore. I'm a big guy and have a physical lifestyle and ibuprofen has been my friend for a long time, both for the pain relief and the anti-inflammatory properties.

So bringing this full circle, come to find out that I've actually, most likely, been getting a pretty damn large dose of THC(a) in these caramels in order to get the psychoactive effect I like- which when eaten this way is very similar to alcohol- a relaxing body buzz with mild euphoria and general good feelings. So whether it's all that THC (a), or the THC, or some other cannaboids I don't know, but the effect on my body in general has been fairly profound: much less pain, inflammation, etc to the point that I NEVER take ibuprofen anymore.

I find that quite interesting.

As a huge side benefit, the caramels have greatly decreased my desire to drink. I still have a couple beers but I haven't had more than (3) 12-oz beers in almost a year. THAT is huge. Alcohol, which is the drug of choice for many here and everywhere else, is very toxic and unhealthy. So I'll count that as a credit in this equation as well.

I'm taking the time (and absorbing the negative comments) to type all this for one reason only. This is a place that could use some education on this stuff; many of you are exactly the people who need to come around on this issue if we are ever, as a society, going to get past the "Reefer Madness" hysteria.

And by the way, nobody "smokes a joint" of this modern, very potent weed. You control dosage by smoking a tiny little piece to avoid becoming what I'd call "over stoned" which is not pleasant. This is "taking psychoactive substances 101": start small. You can always do a little more.

Is a roux cooked at a higher temp?

Actually, if what I want is to carbolyze it more fully, that's easy. An hour in the oven at, I think, 240 degrees prior to making butter from it. I'm not sure I do want that though. The way they are now is working pretty well, and the point isn't to get blotto, anyway. But I'm using 2 ounces of chopped flower to make a pound of butter... think on that a minute... it should be POTENT.

(Side note to those who care: chopping up 2 oz of Oregon's finest is an incredibly fragrant experience! Considering that on the old black market, that'd be $400 worth, you can see why this wasn't really a "thing" prior to legalization, at least it sure wasn't for me. Highly inefficient. )

I'm poised and ready to buy brass as soon as they have the next batch available, trust me.

...I'd like my Governments help to help prevent some stoner from driving into me...

Then you are part of the problem. Because, for one thing, the government cannot help you.

There is a difference between being "high" and being "stoned", just like there is a difference between being "mildly buzzed" and "totally chit faced" when drinking.

It's always funny...and more than a little bit hypocritical...to see those who post and profess to being 'conservatives' and 'Republicans' giving lip service to 'freedom' and 'less government control' over their lives...but yet at the same time they are threatened by, or simply don't like, extending that same freedom to others. And they 'want' the government to exert control over those other people's lives who choose an intoxicant that's different than the one that 'they' choose to use.

lol