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Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? Yondering #11429156 09/10/16
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doubletap Campfire Tracker D Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 6,755 Atlanta	Originally Posted by Yondering Much truth to what okie john says. Most people want to chase mechanical accuracy in a pistol, but don't have the skill to put it to use. Finding a good load and putting in the practice is a lot more effective than buying another gun, if you're chasing accuracy. Reminds me of something I read by Ross Seyfried. The gist was that if you want an accurate handgun, spend $1,000 on primers. He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice. - Albert Einstein

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Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? doubletap #11429241 09/10/16
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SargeMO Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,531 MO	Originally Posted by doubletap Originally Posted by Yondering Much truth to what okie john says. Most people want to chase mechanical accuracy in a pistol, but don't have the skill to put it to use. Finding a good load and putting in the practice is a lot more effective than buying another gun, if you're chasing accuracy. Reminds me of something I read by Ross Seyfried. The gist was that if you want an accurate handgun, spend $1,000 on primers. Or $100 dollars on #11 caps, powder and swaged 454 ball. I find that going back to the old stuff occasionally helps my perspective as a handgunner. Six shots, 25 yards, duelist stance. It shoots hard & never misfires. Direct Impingement is the Fart Joke of military rifle operating systems. ⓒ

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? jimmyp #11429259 09/10/16
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bea175 Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 Kpt.,TN , Montgomery, Co, VA	Here is another pistol i own that is amazing accurate A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? jimmyp #11430257 09/11/16
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viking Campfire Ranger V Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,156 Likes: 4 MonDak	What is that?

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? jimmyp #11430557 09/11/16
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Esox357 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 10,784 Likes: 1 Good Life	CZ makes some accurate handguns.

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Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? doubletap #11430938 09/11/16
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Yondering Campfire Tracker Y Joined: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,755 Skagit County, WA	Originally Posted by doubletap Originally Posted by Yondering Much truth to what okie john says. Most people want to chase mechanical accuracy in a pistol, but don't have the skill to put it to use. Finding a good load and putting in the practice is a lot more effective than buying another gun, if you're chasing accuracy. Reminds me of something I read by Ross Seyfried. The gist was that if you want an accurate handgun, spend $1,000 on primers. Yup. That applies to trigger jobs too. The best trigger job you can get is between your ears. We see a number of guys here lately complaining about how bad Glock triggers are; what they're really saying is their trigger control is poor and they aren't willing to work on it.

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? viking #11431028 09/11/16
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k20350 Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,813 Michigan	Originally Posted by viking What is that? Its a Smith of which several model #'s resemble that. I had a near NIB 639 and it was one of the poorest pistols for accuracy I ever shot. Many people have them that are nail drivers but mine the barrel seemed loose like it wasn't locked up right and it just shot terrible groups.

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? viking #11432089 09/12/16
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bea175 Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 Kpt.,TN , Montgomery, Co, VA	Originally Posted by viking What is that? Smith Model 645 in 45 ACP A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? MontanaMan #11432359 09/12/16
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GunGeek Campfire Ranger Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 24,667 NW Nevada	Originally Posted by MontanaMan Originally Posted by jimmyp Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? Never owned a Sig229 so can't comment on that other than to say that my BIL is ex-Navy Seal & that's his preference. Best I've personally seen is the Beretta 92......better than any of the Glocks or M&P's that I own. And there's a lot of competitive shooters using them in the accurazied mode too so, IMO, that carries some weight. MM The Beretta is far more accurate than it has any right to be since it has no lock up at the front of the barrel. Yet every one I have shot will just drop 'em in there lights out. It's because the rear of the barrel has a metric ton of support.

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? jimmyp #11432479 09/12/16
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viking Campfire Ranger V Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 17,156 Likes: 4 MonDak	I thought it was a Smith, but a 645, now that's a nice pistol. A few guy's carries them back in the day.

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Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? viking #11432644 09/12/16
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bea175 Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 Kpt.,TN , Montgomery, Co, VA	If you run out of ammo you can beat them to death with it A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? viking #11434756 09/13/16
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Joe Campfire Tracker J Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,611 Louisiana-U.S.A.	Originally Posted by viking I thought it was a Smith, but a 645, now that's a nice pistol. A few guy's carries them back in the day. Yeah, Sonny Crockett for one! That was the earlier days before the Bren 10. Last edited by Joe; 09/13/16. Shew me thy ways, O LORD: teach me thy paths. "there are few better cartridges on Earth than the 7 x 57mm Mauser" "the .30 Springfield is light, accurate, penetrating, and has surprising stopping power"

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? jimmyp #11443087 09/17/16
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husqvarna Campfire Regular H Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,887 Texas Panhandle	I don't know if revolvers count, but for accuracy I doubt any defensive handgun except maybe a really well tuned 1911 will out shoot my Performance Center .357 627 eight shot.

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? Joe #11443189 09/17/16
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EthanEdwards Campfire Kahuna Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 54,284 Parts unknown...	Originally Posted by Joe Originally Posted by viking I thought it was a Smith, but a 645, now that's a nice pistol. A few guy's carries them back in the day. Yeah, Sonny Crockett for one! That was the earlier days before the Bren 10. Sonny carried the Bren Ten before they armed him with a 645. The mags for the 10 became too hard to obtain. Everytime they'd stage a shootout, somehow gun nuts would find out the location and show up to scarf up any mags that weren't picked up immediately.

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? jimmyp #11443233 09/17/16
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gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,253 Likes: 2 Oklahoma	I had an old first gen model 21 Glock 45 ACP that shot really well with anything I put in it, 185's to 230's, that pistol didn't care, I loaded all ammo for it with AA#7 powder back in that day. Trump Won!

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? gunner500 #11443281 09/17/16
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bea175 Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 32,044 Kpt.,TN , Montgomery, Co, VA	Had must mean you pucked up and got rid of it, should have keep it A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? jimmyp #11443328 09/17/16
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Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? bea175 #11443333 09/17/16
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gunner500 Campfire 'Bwana G Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 46,253 Likes: 2 Oklahoma	Originally Posted by bea175 Had must mean you pucked up and got rid of it, should have keep it YUP, sold it to a buddy Bea, as far as I know he still has it, I'll ask him. Trump Won!

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? bea175 #11443629 09/18/16
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Mackay_Sagebrush Campfire Ranger M Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 15,867 Likes: 6	Originally Posted by bea175 Originally Posted by viking What is that? Smith Model 645 in 45 ACP The 645 meets my standard of "MOJR". These are real sleepers, and quite fun. THE CHAIR IS AGAINST THE WALL. The Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester is the Glock 19 of the rifle world. The website is up and running! www.lostriverammocompany.com

Re: Most accurate off the shelf self defense pistol that is not a 1911? jimmyp #11443633 09/18/16
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RJM Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,920 Rochester, N.H. USA	...I passed one up in 10mm last year that a friend was selling before I got "into" 10mm...a bad mistake. If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you....

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