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Did Ingwe buy it? He needs a new heavy rifle since I have his old one.
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No. His new heavy rifle is a 6.8spc in a bolt gun......
One day you'll see it on GB for tens of thousands....
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No. His new heavy rifle is a 6.8spc in a bolt gun......
One day you'll see it on GB for tens of thousands.... Pesos?
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I once had a pre-64 '06, reportedly stocked by Walter Abe in CA for John Wayne. Beautiful gun, but I couldn't get documentation. It was pretty heavy and I traded it.
We know that John Wayne had a large collection of rifles and Walter Abe made rifles for him.
Without provenance documentation, you don't have anything other than what you're holding...
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I once had a pre-64 '06, reportedly stocked by Walter Abe in CA for John Wayne. Beautiful gun, but I couldn't get documentation. It was pretty heavy and I traded it.
We know that John Wayne had a large collection of rifles and Walter Abe made rifles for him.
Without provenance documentation, you don't have anything other than what you're holding...
DF Was Walter Abe responsible for the .460 Van Horn rifle that Bob Hagel used for an article?
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I once had a pre-64 '06, reportedly stocked by Walter Abe in CA for John Wayne. Beautiful gun, but I couldn't get documentation. It was pretty heavy and I traded it.
We know that John Wayne had a large collection of rifles and Walter Abe made rifles for him.
Without provenance documentation, you don't have anything other than what you're holding...
DF Was Walter Abe responsible for the .460 Van Horn rifle that Bob Hagel used for an article? Not sure. He was a premier gunmaker in LA back in the day. DF
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Yup,he did along with Gil Van Horn. The .460 VH is a .460 Wby shortened to 2.50" so it would fit in a standard length Mauser.
Just guessing but the .460 VH is an early version of the .460 A-Square.
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Yup,he did along with Gil Van Horn. The .460 VH is a .460 Wby shortened to 2.50" so it would fit in a standard length Mauser.
Just guessing but the .460 VH is an early version of the .460 A-Square. Is that the short version of a real wabbit gun like your .460? DF
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Yup,it is. 
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Nice.
Walter Abe did good work. The grip shape is same or very similar to the one I had.
Maybe OK for smaller wabbits, doubt it'll penetrate like your .460.
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Yup,the VH is lacking in the penetration for NM rabbits.
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Once when I was in a collectors firearms store, a beautiful Pre '64 M70 in my hands the clerk said "this rifle once belonged to the actor Clark Gable". Does that effect the price I said as I handed it back to him. I feel the same way about any celebrity's rumored property.
I wonder how much an autographed piece of paper would be worth? Did it happen to be a 257 Roberts?
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That .460 VH on gun broker was used by Bob Hagel for his article on that cartridge.
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That .460 VH on gun broker was used by Bob Hagel for his article on that cartridge. If that can be documented, the gun becomes more interesting and potentially a bit more valuable. DF
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From the pics in the article and the pics on gun broker is how I came to that conclusion.
Most telling is where .460 Van Horn and just to the right is the (I think) number 10. That matches the pic in the article,along with the pictures of the stock (grain flow in the butt) and muzzle brake.
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Stock grain, if prominant enough to photograph, is not too unlike a fingerprint. Pretty good documentation.
Good match.
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Just wish I had the money to buy it.
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They're asking a premium.
It doesn't look like they know what you know and can document about provenance, or that info would be all over the listing.
I'm not sure how much they'd bump the price, armed with this info. They may already be at the top of the market, maybe over, not sure. It's hard to price a one of a kind item.
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Think they are going by the name Walter Abe and nothing else. The price seems to be at the top. Wait long enough,might be able to talk them down to a lower price.
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