Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Predators and Varmints Remington 700 LVSF or Savage 12 Lo Pro.

I've thinned out my big game rifles and now am need of a varmint rifle. All my other rifles are Remingtons so the LVSF or VSSF II seem like a natural choices but I hear a lot about the accuracy of Savage rifles and its Accu-trigger. I can afford any of them and use is primarily 'chucks in PA and coyotes. A praire dog venture is in the future somewhere too. I have pretty much decided on a 223 for the chambering.

What are some of the opinions out there...

RH

The accu-trigger is nicer out of the box; the remington trigger is far better to adjust, there's a world of aftermarket upgrades for the 700s, and the machining is better on the Remington.

I would pick the remington -period-..

A friend has two heavy barreled savages and they are nice for what they are , but for a few bucks more you get a much nicer rifle -remington.
I've heard all the savage- right out of the box talk but haven't seen it.His shoot good but nothing to write home about.
I'd take the savage over some other guns do to the fact that they're american made and for the money a fine rifle.
The lvsf 223 w/a trigger adjustment will be an excellent pd rifle! Mike

VSSF II all the way!

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go with the remmy, you will love it. I have 2. HAPPY HUNTING

No comparison the LVSF to a Savage. The LVSF is pricey but a gem. You may be able to find some 223's out there yet, but they made them in 17, 221, 308, 223, and maybe some other chamberings.

Here's what you get with the LVSF : alloy bedding block, SS fluted barrel, great stock, true short action and light weight and chamerings you don't see every day. Try to find a 17 or 221 in a Savage.

TM

Howdy.

See thread Rem / Savage - at present directly above.

Regards

LVSF is the only way to go for me. Have 2 and they both shoot and hadle great. Can't go wrong with a 223

Bought a Savage series 12 BVSS in .243 last year and have been very impressed. 3 shot groups fit under a dime at 100 yards with Federal 70 grn Premium Noslers. Adjusted the trigger as light as it would go and have been very happy with it.

While fit and finish is better with the Remingtons, I doubt they will shoot better than the Savages on the average. After hearing my friends rave about their heavy barrel Savages several years ago I bought a 12BVSS 22-250. Whew!! It will outshoot my capabilities any day of the week. It will stay in the .3"s at 100 yds all day long for 5 shots with less than .2" vertical dispersion (there is usually a cross breeze where I shoot).
I also have a Savage Tactical rechambered to 7STW that will group similarly with Ballistic Tips. My best all time group is 0.14" at 100 yds and was fired with that rifle.
I also own several Remingtons and some of them are excellent shooters but most required a little tweaking. In .223 you should be able to shoot tiny groups with either brand but I would bet that out of the box the Savage will shoot a little tighter.
Go with the one you like better and you will surely create lots of red mist with either one.
Best of luck,
Sam

I 'm with sambo Ive been witness to many savages shooting one hole groups!

The LVSF is pillar bedded. There is no bedding block.

I've had mixed results with two LVSFs. One was bought for my wife in 204 and has been a gem. Barrel doesn't foul and it is averaging groups of .4 moa. Second was in 221, and whilst it shot well reasonably (though not brilliantly), the rounds just didn't work well in the magazine and misfeeds and jamming were quite common.

The 204 has been moved to a HS stock, and has been given a BDL magazine...this is how it should have been equipped in the first place.

The 221 is currently with the gunsmith, and the magazine is going to be converted to BDL, and it will be rechambered to 222 Rem Mag, as I expect the longer round will work a lot better in the Rem action. If that doesn't sort it out, then it may become a 20 cal of some sort.

Okay...here's my master plan, it costs a few bucks more but I think long term it's the answer for you.

The 223 LVSF's demand a premium, they are $700+ on gunbroker.com. So, buy a 17 Rem or 221, you can get them on GB for $600, so maybe $650 to your door after shipping and FFL transfer fees. Then, take the barrel off, sell it on ebay for about $150 (that's what they are going for) and now you've got $500 into a SS action w/ a decent stock.

Now, send the action to Pac-Nor, for about $500 you can get them to make you a custom super match 223 barrel, true your action, chamber it and get it ready to shoot. It will cost a little more if you want to keep the LVSF flutes. This way you get a better barrel, can chose your twist and maybe make it a 223AI if you want to be really cool like the AK crew.

Sweet gun for around $1,000....oh and figure on $50 to have the trigger worked over while you're at it. You'll also probably want to do a little home bedding job, which will put you another $10-$15 into it.

As a hint, when searching ebay and GB, use the term LVSF and LV SF as they pull up different results.

HAVE FUN!!

Jason

I like the way you think. Semi custom for $1000, not bad at all.

Thanks, pullit. I've been thinking about that one for a while. If I wasn't waiting for a 243 to arrive that I bought so I can make it into a 243AI, I'd be doing exactly what's described above.

Overall, I think it would be a heck of a shooter for only about $300 more than the stock gun.

J

I'm pretty sure the 06' Remington catalog mentioned a bedding block. The 07' is completely silent on bedding for the LVSF. I'll have to check that old cat again. That was one reason I was so doting on the gun. If that isn't there... pffft... Give me a CZ...

TM

depending on barrel length you want either the LTR or the PSS would do nicely. the pss carries a bigger palm swell and some find it very savage like. the ltr is closer to a mountain grip with a swell. very nice. 9 twist factory heavy, no j and a decent stock. um, they shoot too.... clean up the trigger and your off to the races for $700.. no muss, no fuss...

if you decide to dump the stock or the barrel they also fetch a premium (more-so than the lvsf)..

woofer

It never had a bedding block, but it is pillar bedded.