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You lot live in one of the very few countries in the entire world where votes from citizens can change everything, and all you can talk about is killing your fellow citizens.
Interesting thread though.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Guess what guy, you're not living in 1778 and the Constitution isn't today what it was when it was written back then, wasn't meant to be and it isn't. Things change get use to it. And man I do believe you are letting your self in for a lot of heartbreak come November 9th, or just a few short months away! As for what some are saying about not being able to carry on a conversation with you... Hell we're all the same way!  Phil Things do indeed change. Hope you enjoy your breakfasts alone.
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[quote=JoeBob]Why? Because it is unsuited for other kinds of people and we've been letting them in by the bushels for a long dang time.
No doubt, and perhaps it would be wise to ask an American Indian their opinions on uncontrolled borders. History repeats again.... I would if I could find one. I've seen lots of them on reservations. [/quote Kind of long, but well worth the watch. This Indian has it right. Welcome to the Reservation k22, I agree that Russell Means makes some very important points, ie. the Patriarchal Pyramid, the importance of a thriving Local economy, the dumbing down of our school system, the theft of our monetary system by the Feds. But I listen to his monologue, critically, and with the knowledge that he too, has a personal agenda. He has spent alot of time trying to revise Native history, to fit a more palatable overview of Native American cultural practices since the 1960's. He is truthful, when the truth fits his agenda. It was an interesting monologue never the less.
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No, it wasn't our "own people", it was in large part because we let in other kinds of people with different ideas of what government is and should be than Americans. Who the hell are you even talking about??? The vast majority of people in this county aren't direct decedents of the founders, including myself. I served and gave an oarth to give my life for the Constitution if needed, just like millions of other people in this country. We as a people have allowed what has happened. Your generalizations are useless. And that's why we've failed. As long as the dominant culture was one of descendants of white Englishmen, we were able to keep it together, but letting in others started it downhill. Constitutional government of the type we have is an anomoly. Find it anywhere but in an English speaking country. You won't. The idea that government is limited in the way we think is almost exclusively an English one. Even in Europe, their modern constitutions run to hundreds of pages detailing mundane things in life. Other countries more or less copied ours and then promptly ignore them. But in England they cited the Constitution and followed it without even having a written one. In the US we used ours to preserve English government at the height of its perfection, the 18th century separation of powers model. Except for the simple fact the #1 immigrant group into the US were and still are German. I agree with the premise though. Here is what they are formally called: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Stock_Americans
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This is what happens when lawyers are in control of every aspect of your life. Instead of the Congress dictating the laws of the land, the lawyers have conceded all control to 9 men and women in robes. This is a huge mistake. If Hillary gets in as George Soros claims she will ( It's a done deal) Hillary and her lawyers will make us all slaves. http://toprightnews.com/the-fix-is-...ion-a-done-deal-despite-trump-landslide/Congress and Americans must reverse this and Mr. Trump is our last hope. How did we let ourselves get to this point? https://readfomag.com/2016/08/bracken-a-scenario-for-the-second-civil-war/
For liberals and anarchists, power and control is opium, selling envy is the fastest and easiest way to get it. TRR. American conservative. Never trust a white liberal. Malcom X Current NRA member.
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Consider this. The Supreme Court that we all despise right now is made up of Catholics and Jews. I think the problem with Catholics originates from the single-religion Middle Ages of Europe. Everybody being Catholic including the monarchs, church and government intermingled so as to be nearly one institution. This gave birth to ideas that the government should perform tasks of the Church. The Protestant Reformation broke this link and revealed government for what it is, a competitor of the church. When the government performs functions of the church, such as providing works of charity, it is effectively competing with the church in a zero sum game. Most Catholics still haven't realized this and don't understand it but the effects are clearly illustrated by today's social states in Europe.
Islam is a terrorist organization.
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The main issue with the Catholic religion as I see it, is the over-reliance on God to fix things, whereas the Protestants are more of the "God helps those who help themselves" philosophy. Full disclosure I am a non-practising Catholic.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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If we were to consider methods of achieving gun confiscation, agents of the federal government would not have to perform the physical task of confiscation. It could achieve disarmament via other methods. The feds could starve Americans into compliance (see Stalin's forced famine and the Iranian genocide). If all food and fuel shipments were denied delivery, it wouldn't be long before most Americans surrendered their guns in exchange for food vouchers so they could feed their families. Stockpiling food would not have the desired effect of sustaining families. In would incite others to attempt to take from those who have, which would be passively encouraged by government for it would hasten the outcome of gun confiscation. It would turn Americans against each other, which would benefit only government's objective of total disarmament.
I do not envision another civil war in America. time people learned to grow their own food It's long past time that we reverted to the original intent of our Founding Fathers. That way, we'd have no worries. For the information of all hands; SakoAV/ aka Raisuli/Laguna: Is a convicted felon: Federal Bureau of Prisons: Register Number: 84034-012 Age: 64 Race: White Sex: Male Released On: 03/29/2012
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I see that too Jorge, but the biggest I see is the fallacy that govt should be charitable. They don't seem to understand that govts should supply justice and it's up to individuals to be charitable.
Think of how they have no problem with a policy that taxes you, willing or not, to be charitable to someone else. They don't understand that it is not charity, it is theft and repression. They bitch when the money goes to abortions or something, never understanding the precedent they have set.
I love The Church, but there is an impulse in all humans to attempt to take shortcuts. In this case, a shortcut to salvation.
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If we were to consider methods of achieving gun confiscation, agents of the federal government would not have to perform the physical task of confiscation. It could achieve disarmament via other methods. The feds could starve Americans into compliance (see Stalin's forced famine and the Iranian genocide). If all food and fuel shipments were denied delivery, it wouldn't be long before most Americans surrendered their guns in exchange for food vouchers so they could feed their families. Stockpiling food would not have the desired effect of sustaining families. In would incite others to attempt to take from those who have, which would be passively encouraged by government for it would hasten the outcome of gun confiscation. It would turn Americans against each other, which would benefit only government's objective of total disarmament.
I do not envision another civil war in America. time people learned to grow their own food It's long past time that we reverted to the original intent of our Founding Fathers. That way, we'd have no worries. For the information of all hands; SakoAV/ aka Raisuli/Laguna: Is a convicted felon: Federal Bureau of Prisons: Register Number: 84034-012 Age: 64 Race: White Sex: Male Released On: 03/29/2012 Yup, pedophile in the classic Disneyland pattern, IIRC ...and one who just graced this thread with this little pearl of wisdom: Modern technology has changed the rules of rebellion. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that NSA peruses these forums and saves content. I'd venture to say that he gets paid by the word, or gets days taken off his sentence for his chit disturbing here,....maybe some of each. GTC
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I don't think there is any problem with Catholics, it is just that they are outside our constitutional tradition. The English absolutely abhorred and rejected the authority of Rome and those who lived in what would come to be America were largely the ones who went a step further and rejected the authority of The Church of England.
Go look at the history of the 1850s, it was a LOT like today. Nowadays when we speak of that era, slavery dominates the discussion. But then, the recent inundation of the country with Irish Catholics and German Porto-Commies exiled after the revolutions of 1848 were just as relevant. The Whigs dissolved in the face voter uprisings against unfettered immigration and there was a great deal of unrest. The movie The Gangs of New York touches on it a little.
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JoeBob, what do you think it was about the founder's experience with government that made them realize it is in competition with God? Why do you think the Catholics didn't get that?
Honest questions. If we can figure out the answers to those, we can more effectively witness “The Way, and The Truth, and The Life."
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The reason why we are where we are is human nature and the nature of government itself., plain and simple. You guys can blame it on your favorite demographic groups all you want but every free nation goes through the same progression to where we are. The question is, with our knowledge of history and awareness of this typical progression, can we step in and not repeat the same mistakes others have made before?
"Hey jackass, get your government off my freedom."
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JoeBob, what do you think it was about the founder's experience with government that made them realize it is in competition with God? Why do you think the Catholics didn't get that?
Honest questions. If we can figure out the answers to those, we can more effectively witness “The Way, and The Truth, and The Life." The founders didn't realize that. They were English. The English were fundamentally anti-Catholic.
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taking your country back ?? from who ? from what period rocckinbar ??
Not sure what sock puppet you are, but I'll answer anyway. From the Bolsheviks that are turning it socialist, and fugging with freedoms and liberties our country was founded on. Any further questions? I thought I was the only 1 who noticed the similarity between the rise of Trump and the Bolsheviks !! Trump has been recruit peasants and uneducated workers by promising them how glorious life will be after the revolution LOL Make Merica Great Again !!
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich !
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You lot live in one of the very few countries in the entire world where votes from citizens can change everything, and all you can talk about is killing your fellow citizens.
Interesting thread though.
My enemies aren't my fellow anything. They are my enemies regardless of their citizenship. You are aware of what a traitor is right? Voting works at the local level, but we're always outnumbered by urban DSMFs that can't think or fend for themselves at the national and in some cases the state level in states that have democrap-ruled megalopolises.
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