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The 124+P Gold dots seem to hold up well against bone and tissue

i have shot the HST 124+P and the 147 out of a g19 from approx 5 feet and both were stopped in the 3rd jug....did yours go through the 3rd?

This round seems to have very high remarks for SD use in 9x19.

I know they make standard and +P for each, I have seen results in tests showing larger expansion for the slower heavier 147. Also it shoots only about 50 fps different in two loadings, perhaps in a shorter barrel. I hear it jumps less and recoils less than the faster 124 loadings.

1) Do many of you 9 fans load up with 147's for SD?

2) Would barrel length affect which load you use?

gold dots are great, but the bonded bullet doesnt allow for sharp, jagged petals...The HST mushrooms just as reliably as the gold dot but I like the sharp "talons" FWIW

my feeling is they will create more trauma in soft tissue but i cant prove it

HST on left, GOld dot on right

When they were "Black Talon" the petals were even more fearsome in appearance, and likely caused even more trauma, but the liberals thought that we shouldn't be able to do that much damage on criminals, so they outlawed them.

Just a point of clarification, the HST is the new Federal bullet and never was a Black Talon. Black Talon was a Winchester bullet and the currently available PC version is called the Ranger SXT.

When they were "Black Talon" the petals were even more fearsome in appearance, and likely caused even more trauma, but the liberals thought that we shouldn't be able to do that much damage on criminals, so they outlawed them. Or, perhaps just intimidated the manufacturer to stop making them.

Black Talon's didn't really do any more damage than a conventional HP, they just looked wicked. In the famous shooting that caused Winchester to pull them from the shelves, the trauma surgeon noted how wicked the bullet looked, but said there was really nothing different about the wound channel.

The better 9/147's are comparable to a 38 +P/158/LSWCHP. That round settled a LOT of hash and developed a good reputation in the process.

I would definitely take the 147.

this thread made me again peruse the 47th lyman book on cast bullets in the throne room this morning, and compare the 147grain 9mm against the 158grain 38special. Awful similar in weight and velocity leading one to say all the 9mm offers is a hicap 38special in that bullet weight. Now i was fooling with some 155grain gas checked Lyman 358156keith style bullets a couple of months ago, can be loaded in both 38special and 357magnum. I was running in 357magnum but not at the higher velocities, but around 1000fps. That bullet was cracking river rock for those familar with it, penetration would have to be pretty good, my unscientic approach was the "thunk" when they hit.
I have the 170 mould too, and i think they would settle a lot of "hash" too. Where the 9mm loaded in a similar fashion comes to mind is current events such as in north carolina where there is a distinct atvantage in having more than six rounds. Since i have a springfied XD, the mag capacity is similar to that of a lot of 9mm's. I have a bag of 45 185grain jhp's, either winchester or remington, that i have had sitting around for years. I know that i can run them at around 1000fps. I need to load some. Similar velocities to that of that 9mm 147grain, heavier yet bullet, and similar mag capacity in the XD.
and they dont HAVE to expand to get similar results to the 9mm, but if they do expand, game over.

That's exactly why I like the 40 S&W, Ron. It has lots of good attributes of many top drawer pistol cartridges, with enough overlap to give me peace of mind.

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