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Fantastic thought! I love it.

Nor can you or anyone else TRULY understand it. Not in the sense that we UNDERSTAND other things.

Are you going to claim that your mind can really grasp a "thing" with no boundaries?

C.S. Lewis said that since we can't COMPREHEND God, we must APPREHEND Him.

It takes action to catch something which explains Atheists.

You are constantly telling how the Spirit helps you in life. If I claim the Spirit helped me understand infinite would you accept that?

I get it man. Jesus held hands with dinosaurs and schitt.

bigfish9684,

Let me get this straight. Did you asked what appeared to be a serious question so you could try to humiliate a fellow poster?






Jesus created dinosaurs and everything else.

The difference is the electricity can be measured and can be proven to exist, so it has no real comparison to "god"

Only if you could explain how your knowing it resulted in different ACTIONS on your part AND if you could explain it to the rest of us.

The analogy is not about God.......... it's about you.

If you were not open minded enough to believe in the possibility of there being current in the wiring, you would never plug into it to find out so it might as well NOT exist.

And all those lights on in other folk's houses are just figments of their imagination as far as you can tell.

Are you now limiting one's spiritual experience to a human's ability to explain it?

Nope, didn't miss it. But I will finish the Joe/Bob story.

So Joe stole the car and wrecked it. He did it, he did it knowingly and he is guilty. But he has pride and he cannot bring himself to confess to Bob and does not have the courage to ask for forgiveness. But Joe is angry with himself so he tells himself and others that Joe is really at fault for leaving the keys in it and so on and so forth.

Well, Bob hears about this and decides to just wait to see if Joe ever comes around. Joe avoids Bob and Bob sees that Joe does not want to address this crime that prevents Joe and Bob from being friends. Joe does not want a relationship with Bob and Bob just lets him go his merry way.

But, Bob is not going to invite Joe to the Party either for he knows Joe really does not want to be there.


Simple, if Joe does not want a relationship with Bob, Bob won't force it but Joe should not expect a party invitation. Bob will let him go the way he desires.

Now, why is it that so many "atheists" have a problem with this?

You don't want a relationship with God. God allows that. Go the way you choose to.

Oh, btw, there will be no excuses, for Joe really did steal the car and he really did avoid God and these were his choices.

Flip Wilson used to say "The devil made me do it." Funny but still a flimsy excuse. Won't hold up in court.

Ah, but you atheists should not feel threatened in any way.

There is no god that you are obligated to.

Are you deliberately ignoring the first stipulation I made?

I don't believe the Holy Spirit is in the business of providing answers just to satisfy our curiosity. In my case, He just removes the question from my mind if something is troubling me.

I suspect you and I are hung up over the true meaning of "understanding", NOT over the ability of the Spirit to edify us.

Yeah, right.

You only got it once it was neon lit for you.

So why limit your thinking to atheist?

Are there not theistisms that have concepts of personal accountability but not thoroughly gut-hooked by the 'Christ the Redeemer' mythology?

The answer to your question is "Yes", but only if you change "mythology" to "Theology".

The "christ mythology", like the "corn king mythology" exists in many cultures and some probably predate Christianity.

That actually lends credibility to the idea of the Creator placing "something" in the minds of His creatures to compel them to seek Him.

But it is only in the New Testament that the "myth" becomes a full fledged theological statement and one that has survived for centuries.

One cannot be truly called a "Christian" if he denies that Jesus of Nazareth was the Deity in human form.

But there are some of us that suspect that His actual role is much greater than the one ascribed to Him in the Bible. His role as "Christ the Redeemer" is probably as close as our finite mental capacity can come toward understanding. That doesn't make it less true by any means.

But there exists a nagging "spiritual suspicion" - backed up by scripture, btw - that being "gut hooked" as you put it is just a necessary first step in coming to appreciate something we can never truly understand.

That's why I've posted before that my "problem" with the bible being used as the sole source of revelation is that it results in Jesus being too small.

Were you open minded, you could walk with Jesus and questions of dinosuars would flee your mind.

sounds like the "God particle" has entered into the conversation, that is, if God has placed in man a desire to seek him/her/it out?

Amen to that!!!

Do YOU doubt it?

curdog4570,

I think this is the question.




Yes.



And I believe and suspect you are wrong. That makes us exctly the same.

So now we are talking about the Higgs Boson?

In our story, Joe could go see Bob, shake his hand, and even see his name on the title of the car he wrecked. So in your story Bob is actually a real person, vs. the god claims in this life which are of fictions beings.

Sure,

So long at it was English.