Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Geronimo, one of the ten greatest Americans who ever lived.

But the Yankees are proud of defeating Lee and ashamed of defeating Geronimo.

Same deal in both instances....... defense of one's homeland.

I have a picture of geronimo hangin over my desk right now.
I have a rolling block rifle, off the san carlos reservation, similar to his in that picture. It was formerly owned by the U.S. Army.
I have relatives that are part gila.
I understand his anger.
It should be noted if you dig a little deeper, not all of geronimo's band surrendered. They were still chasing them into the 1920's. There were joint U.S./mexican missions into the mountains with no success.
The landscape along the U.S./mexican border is a lot different than most people realize, very rugged, very beautiful, a good place to live.
It still aggravates me when i think about it, that he was not allowed to return to arizona. But then, i think that would have violated some apache beliefs about the dead.
I don't blame him for what he did, he was fighting total war.

My sister had two boys, one looks like a german biermeister, the other looks like geronimo. The geronimo one, has been known to take a canteen, a walking staff, and a blanket, and disappear into the high desert where there are no roads for a week at a time. He is communing with the ghosts, we like to say. He is not a very big man, but very strong. Most would not understand it, or make fun of it, but they come to him on the wind. Yankees for sure wouldn't understand.

Look into books about George Crook, also. George Crook chased the Apaches in Arizona twice, and fought the Sioux and others around the west.

"General Crook and the Western Frontier" is one

Pretty impressive guy, re-thought tactics, supply lines, and strategy while fighting the Apache. (and Yavapai)

Sycamore

Shouda fought harder...

He should never have trusted the white man. The great father doesn't keep his promises.

Geronimo also did a little "high fence" hunting for buffalo.


http://framingthefrontier.omeka.net/items/show/17

http://www.macsmotorcitygarage.com/2015/06/17/another-look-at-geronimos-cadillac/

sycamore, the is a place down between the bas of yarnell hill running over to hillside/bagdad, where crook had his base at the time. it's accessable if you have a hunting license, great place to walk over. The state doesn't like to broadcast it's location, but easy to find. The walls of some of the old buildings are still there, as is a bunch of other stuff. Been there many times. I believe crook had the locals corraled in the canyon right behind the base. I keep meaning to take a quad in there but haven't done it. My mother's first husband had a trading post in the area, in those times, and she lived there for a while. Intereesting place.

He is lucky to have done any Buffalo hunting post 1880'ish. White man kills for fun.

Especially back then; there was a grocery store and McDonalds on every corner

when you mention the yavapai, i often think of this. Going out of prescott to skull valley, iron springs rd. Over the top of the hill is dosey pitts, a popular shooting area. Just down the road is the old walker ranch. Something like 12 or so white people got axed there by the yavapai. It isn't very far from prescott, just a few miles. I would really like to know where that shootout took place.

By his own words, Geronimo would toss white and Mexican babies into the air and impale them with his knife.

Another great myth on the demise of the buffalo.

I've read A LOT about that period of time and would be interested in your revisionist theory as to what happened to the Buffalo. If the railroad and the Buffalo hunters not to mention disease from domestic livestock didn't destroy the vast herds then where'd they go? Perhaps they took an extended vacation out of the country....

Churchill

Alcoholism is certainly a terrible curse for many Native Americans and in Nebraska the problem is exacerbated by the stores in White Clay that exploit the Native Americans from the Sioux Tribe who live on the Pine Ridge Reservation.

White Clay is a small, population 14, unincorporated town in northwestern Nebraska that existing on the southern edge of the Pine Ridge Reservation as a source of legal alcohol for the Native Americans who live on the Reservation. The four or five stores in White Clay sell an average of over 10,000 cans/bottles of beer every day, with the vast majority of it sold to Native Americans who can't possess it on their Reservation.

stopped in Bryson City NC this summer, and visited Horace's grave. Not many know who Kephart was. I think highly of him, drunk or sober.

Yeah, he was one helluva Murderer.

There were a lot of Indians that saw the evil of alcohol and didn't drink. The code of individuality didn't allow the non-drinking Indians to forbid others in their tribe from drinking. Red Cloud was one of those non drinkers, he saw the white mans spirit water as a bad thing that hurt the individual, the tribe and caused dependency on the white man. Red Cloud saw what alcohol did to his own father and made the choice to stay away from it.