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Attributed to Teddy Roosevelt

"to anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth."

If you can read between the lines a bit, it becomes so clear. When they get really enraged, it's because they hate the truth, any truth! All the way down to their core!!

You could tell a liberal the damn sky is blue and they'd get red-faced and argue about it. What is it that the simple truth about anything is so unappealing to a liberal? Is it that they don't like to agree on anything? What?


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Teddy was one of the first progressives.


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That definition has changed over the past 100 years also. Teddy did bust the Trusts and establish national parks, which makes him anti - business and a land grabber, but I can't put him in the same category as the Klintons.


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Teddy was a precursor to Ross Perot in that he gave us Woodrow Wilson. He started his own unelectable Progressive Party and demonstrated how a 3d party candidate who can't win can change the results of an election.


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Another one of your quotes that is untrue and has been debunked many times, Teddy Roosevelt never said that or anything to its like! Wholly made up...

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That's because for a liberal, ideology is more important than reality.


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Originally Posted by hatari
That definition has changed over the past 100 years also. Teddy did bust the Trusts and establish notional parks, which makes him anti - business and a land grabber, but I can't put him in the same category as the Klintons.


You need to read up a little on T.R. He was absolutely a big government liberal and a danger to the Constitution.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123033881006136515
Theodore Roosevelt Was No Conservative
There's a reason he left the GOP to lead the Progressive Party.
By Ronald J. Pestritto
Updated Dec. 27, 2008 12:01 a.m. ET
We know that Barack Obama and his allies identify themselves as "progressives," and that they aim to implement the big-government liberalism that originated in America's Progressive Era and was consummated in the New Deal. What remains a mystery is why some conservatives want to claim this progressive identity as their own -- particularly as it was manifested by Theodore Roosevelt.

The fact that conservative politicians such as John McCain and writers like William Kristol and Karl Rove are attracted to our 26th president is strange because, if we want to understand where in the American political tradition the idea of unlimited, redistributive government came from, we need look no further than to Roosevelt and others who shared his outlook.

Progressives of both parties, including Roosevelt, were the original big-government liberals. They understood full well that the greatest obstacle to their schemes of social justice and equality of material condition was the U.S. Constitution as it was originally written and understood: as creating a national government of limited, enumerated powers that was dedicated to securing the individual natural rights of its citizens, especially liberty of contract and private property.

It was the Republican TR, who insisted in his 1910 speech on the "New Nationalism" that there was a "general right of the community to regulate" the earning of income and use of private property "to whatever degree the public welfare may require it." He was at one here with Democrat Woodrow Wilson, who had in 1885 condemned Americans' respect for their Constitution as "blind worship," and suggested that his countrymen dedicate themselves to the Declaration of Independence by leaving out its "preface" -- i.e., the part of it that establishes the protection of equal natural rights as the permanent task of government.

In his "Autobiography," Roosevelt wrote that he "declined to adopt the view that what was imperatively necessary for the nation could not be done by the President unless he could find some specific authorization to do it." The national government, in TR's view, was not one of enumerated powers but of general powers, and the purpose of the Constitution was merely to state the narrow exceptions to that rule.

This is a view of government directly opposed by Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 84. Hamilton explains there that the fundamental difference between a republican constitution and a monarchic one is that the latter reserves some liberty for the people by stating specific exceptions to the assumed general power of the crown, whereas the former assumes from the beginning that the power of the people is the general rule, and the power of the government the exception.

TR turns this on its head. In his New Nationalism speech he noted how, in aiming to use state power to bring about economic equality, the government should permit a man to earn and keep his property "only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community." The government itself of course would determine what represented a benefit to the community, and whether society would be better off if an individual's wealth was transferred to somebody else.

We can see the triumph of this outlook in progressive income taxation, which TR trumpeted in his speech (along with progressive estate taxes). We may also see this theory in action when a government seizes private property through eminent domain, transferring it to others in order to generate higher tax revenues -- a practice blessed by the Supreme Court in its notorious Kelo v. New London decision of 2005.

Some conservatives today are misled by the battle between TR and Wilson in the 1912 presidential election. But Wilson implemented most of TR's program once he took office in 1913, including a progressive income tax and the establishment of several regulatory agencies, such as the Federal Trade Commission.

Others are misled by TR's crusade against an activist judiciary. But unlike our courts today, the judiciary during the Progressive era properly struck down legislation that violated our bedrock rights to liberty of contract and private property. TR hated the judiciary precisely for standing up for the Constitution; this is certainly no reason for conservatives today to latch on to his antijudicial rhetoric.

Many who respect individual liberty and the free market believe that the electoral tide has turned, and that an era of big government is inevitable. But recall that John McCain gained traction in the closing days of his campaign only when he attacked Mr. Obama's desire to "spread the wealth" through higher tax rates on the upper-income earners. His attack clearly resonated among the public. But it came too late, and truth be told, his heart wasn't really in it.

Looking ahead, conservatives hardly need to look back to progressives for inspiration. If there is a desire to "conserve" or restore something about our political tradition that has been lost with the rise of modern liberalism, how about the American founding as a model? It is with the founders that we can find the patriotic promotion of America as an exceptionally great nation -- a notion that attracts some conservatives to TR.

The difference is that, with the founders as a model, we get the idea of American greatness, but without the progressives' assault on the very enduring principles that justify America's claim to greatness in the first place.

Mr. Pestritto is the Shipley Professor of the American Constitution at Hillsdale College and a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute. Among his books are "Woodrow Wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism" (Rowman & Littlefield, 2005).


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Excellent and well researched article on the "psudo-conservative," Theodore Roosevelt, cousin of the Democratic Socialist President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

I think that many people in the "outdoor and hunting" world, seem to think that ol' Teddy was a "conservative" because he owned some guns, liked to hunt, and helped establish some of the National Parks. Those people never bother to examine Teddy's dislike of our Constitution, his disdain for our private property and individual Rights, etc. He was the "great Collectivist" who helped put another rabid collectivist in the President's chair, Woodrow Wilson.... who just happened to be mentor of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. FDR worked for Wilson in his administration, too.

All peas-in-a-pod.

And so it goes. Not too much has changed today, has it?

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