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Professional Hunters demand the exact opposite. I expect to get to Alaska one of these days, but I suppose I'll cross that bridge when I get there and we are about to move in on a bear...


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I have had one Rem trigger issue and I currently have 5 700's. The one issue was with a gun assembled by Brown Precision and not touched by anyone but them. The gun fired on bolt closing on the range over sand bags twice in a row. I had hunted the gun for several years after purchase with NO issues. When we dissasambled the gun my smith buddy took the trigger apart and found a sliver of metal had peeled off the sear. He stoned the parts square again and reassembled. I have now shot the gun for another ten years with no issues.

Once a year I take all of my 700's down and clean the trigger group with a spray brake parts cleaner to keep any oil accumulation from gunking them up. I have both old bolt locking and newer model triggers and none of the x triggers. The only let off reduction have been done by professional smiths and all of the screws have been resealed with something to include nail polish.

I also clean my Ruger 77's that way once a year.

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Originally Posted by cotis
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Walkers floating connector is an AD just waiting to happen. Flawed design from the git go.


From an engineer's perspective I agree with this. 99.999% of the time is just not good enough when it comes to triggers. The old Walker design with the floating connector is simply one to many parts for 100% reliability, especially if someone has monkey'ed with it like you mentioned.

I experienced this first-hand with a friend's 700 in 280rem. Loved the gun and caliber until a cold morning when the grease/oil/whatever he had built up within the trigger caused the connector to hang. Released the safety and "CLICK" on an empty chamber. I could NEVER trust it after that.

I would either send it to Remington to get an X-Mark trigger installed (different internal design vs. old Walker style) or get a Timney. I am a big fan of the Timney.


IIRC even Walker told Remington the design was not good. I don't understand why so many people run around in denial of this problem with the Walker trigger.




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I agree with docbill.

Take some brake cleaner and spray the trigger housing...if you have not already done so.

If you spray over a container, you should see some discoloration in the run off.

Give it time to dry...then oil exactly the way the instructions say.

I've had the same issue...one time. Years of improper oiling that had become sticky was causing the sear to drag and not to pop up fast enough to hold the firing pin back.

Might be the cause of you wows as well.

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Originally Posted by TomM1
Hunting in Alaska is much, much different. I grew up hunting in the east, always had a hot chamber and a safety I could some what rely on (not a 700). When I started hunting in Alaska during my residence there, I heeded the advice of those more experienced than me and only carried rounds in the magazine. I continued that practice for ten years and enforced it upon friends and family I hunted with. No one ever had a mishap, and good thing as help is usually too far away to make a difference. You simply dont jump shoot animals in Alaska, its mostly a pure spot and stalk. I never felt hindered by not carrying a chambered round. Now that I am back east and "big game" ala deer are hunted much the same as cottontails, carrying an empty chamber would be akin to throwing a speer...

When in Rome do what the Romans do...perspective and locale is relative.


Having shot deer in no fewer than half the states in the US with cold chambers I have trouble understanding how people psych themselves into thinking it cannot be done. Virtually all of the border states, north and south, and a pretty good mixture of the rest...


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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
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It also brings up the simple point that one should never have a hot chamber until the last minute in getting ready to shoot...


Hoo Boy! Now you done it! shocked And just as this thread was going to bed too.

(Not that you're wrong; just the way I do it as well.... what's a safety? )


Yep, complete nonsense.


I have yet to meet an AK guide that agrees with you...


Ahem!! I was agreeing with you. crazy (Does that mean you don't agree with yourself? grin ) The guides I know agree with ME! laugh


Yup, I agree with you!


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Originally Posted by Klikitarik
Nearly one year since this Alaska Hunter Safety Instructor lost the battle with a

hot chamber....


Think I missed that one... I was in NY deer hunting with a cold chamber.


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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
Originally Posted by Klikitarik
Nearly one year since this Alaska Hunter Safety Instructor lost the battle with a

hot chamber....


Think I missed that one... I was in NY deer hunting with a cold chamber.
You're about the only one. I've hunted deer all over NYS for 41 years. I personally know hundreds of deer hunters and have run into probably hundreds more out hunting and I don't know, nor have I ever run into ONE who hunts a cold chamber.

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
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Nearly one year since this Alaska Hunter Safety Instructor lost the battle with a

hot chamber....


Think I missed that one... I was in NY deer hunting with a cold chamber.


I suspect we could all tell a story or three of a close call of some kind where we knew better and things could have turned out way worse than they did, whether with a gun, a knife, a boat, truck....whatever. But this fellow, a very respected guy who came up on the wrong end of one such situation - which a cold chamber would have, for certain, prevented. I dropped off a half-cord of bone dry spruce (to his widow) last weekend, and it seems like the pain, though she is learning to live beyond it, never goes away. The world isn't better for the loss of more good people - as I think the majority of folks here probably are.

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Originally Posted by cotis
Originally Posted by Blackheart
Walkers floating connector is an AD just waiting to happen. Flawed design from the git go.


From an engineer's perspective I agree with this. 99.999% of the time is just not good enough when it comes to triggers. The old Walker design with the floating connector is simply one to many parts for 100% reliability, especially if someone has monkey'ed with it like you mentioned.


Anyone who studies it carefully and uses their noggin should be able to see that this is TRUE.


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I never seen anybody hunt with a cold chamber in my life.

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Originally Posted by Docbill


Once a year I take all of my 700's down and clean the trigger group with a spray brake parts cleaner to keep any oil accumulation from gunking them up. I have both old bolt locking and newer model triggers and none of the x triggers. The only let off reduction have been done by professional smiths and all of the screws have been resealed with something to include nail polish.

I also clean my Ruger 77's that way once a year.

YMMV


There you go.

Most folks don't clean their trigger assemblies. Very few used rifles I've bought off the gun rack had clean triggers or bolt/firing pins.

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Originally Posted by moosemike
I never seen anybody hunt with a cold chamber in my life.


NOR have I. I've hunted Ark, La, Miss, & Al. I don't know anyone personally who hunts w/a cold chamber.


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Originally Posted by BobinNH


IIRC even Walker told Remington the design was not good. I don't understand why so many people run around in denial of this problem with the Walker trigger.


You're killing me Bob.

I've heard this several times, nobody can tell me where or when Walker allegedly said that.

I'm pretty sure it's the program you haven't seen (Remington Under Fire), where Walker criticizes Remington for changing his inspection protocol on some of the trigger parts after he retired. In the same interview Walker says his design is a good one.

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Here you guys go. To cut to the chase Walker's interview starts at 24:35.

Remington Under Fire


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I really have heard BOTH versions of that and I don't let it bother me. I've been running 700s since 1975 OR 1976. I swear I've never had ONE problem. I don't lose sleep over it.


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Jerry,

I know, I know. It's just the whole urban myth about Remington's triggers.........how otherwise reasonable can people believe in voodoo......

Sheesh.

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Have had one for 30 to 40 years, bought it used, adjusted trigger myself and have had no issue.


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Here is a ten-minute video where a gunsmith explains the problem of the Remington trigger quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SqRH3tHhdM,

He doesn't feel that there is much of a problem as long as the trigger is adjusted properly and kept clean.


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Yup that's what I had seen before. The memo's are what they are.




The 280 Remington is overbore.

The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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