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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
He told me that guys who train their dogs by lighting them up on the first sniff will have to re-train them. Dogs aren't good at learning this way. He did it in increments so that the DOG decided he didn't like the snake. It is important that the dog SEE the snake, SMELL the snake and HEAR the snake. He confirms all of this. My dog had probably 8 encounters and only twice was zapped loud enough that she yipped. Last test is a snake in a bag- mild scent only. My dog wouldn't get closer than 40 feet!

When I stayed to help I parked next to where we were working so I could keep an eye on my dog. I had both windows open and figured she would just take a nap. Those two new snakes were buzzing like the customers service buzzer at WalMart during shift change. She tried to put her paws over her ears. I had to give her Valium when we got home wink


I reckon that's the same guy that puts on clinics down here, and in Tucson.

Gracey was already "Avoiding" and alarming to Rattlesnakes, and wouldn't go anywhere NEAR the de-fanged and mouth taped training aid, stood back with her ruff and back up....he had to get me to DRAG her close, and than nailed her with the collar,....the collar he was using was boosted, and really HURTS the trainee,...I felt pretty bad about the whole deal.
anything read here as critical, ...discard the notion
I'd recommend running ANY younger dog through this course,....
....my jury's still out on how well this'll take on older mature dogs.

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Originally Posted by rlott
Minus the 16lb sledge, or 7-1/2 from both barrels of Ye Olde Ithaca field grade, do they grow their fangs back?


yep, they have a few ready to move forward in the mouth as the primarys break off in real life (strike is pretty violent, might hit a bone, etc) or just as a matter of time.

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...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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Interesting stuff - thanks Dennis. Back when we de-fanged some of those Coontails it seemed like they kept the shaker going the whole time. Can start to get on the nerves.


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I have been through three sessions with Web over the years. He is very thorough in his training as Dennis pointed out. I have observed with the three GWPs and my neighbor's two GSPs, that the one training session is good for life.

Asa, my newest dog, has warned me of two rattlers on the property in the past two years. She makes a blood curdling howl then barks repeatedly. I can tell when she encounters a snake by those unique sounds. She also warned of a bull snake and a king snake.

Web asked me to bring Asa to a training session earlier this year at Tucson's Sportsmans Warehouse. He wanted the others to see how a avoidance trained dog reacts. He took the first snake from the metal can to the carpet. She immediately howled followed by barking interspersed with growling. When asked to lead her near the snake she shied and tugged to get away.

I combine this training with the rattlesnake vaccine to give my dogs the best chances available when in the field.

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There are many rattlers near Coleman Texas. It pays to do this with bird dogs.

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Ruby wouldn't go closer than 30' at the end. She just stood there and watched me walk past the snake at 18" thought I was going to get shocked!


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