|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,318 Likes: 25
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,318 Likes: 25 |
I'm sure it does, and no where did I say that it didn't. You came into this conversation all to hell from the word go. I on the other hand did not and would have loved a friendly discussion with you about it. Insted of maybe being a little friendly and making your statement you went on a rant attacking me with your comment. No where did I say anything about long range hunting, but you inferred that I did. So not quite sure why your being such a dick
On the other hand the 6 creedmore is a long range hunting/competition round by design first and foremost. That's the only place it has any advantage over the 243 isn't it??
Why would I want a 10 twist over a 8 or 9 twist? What advantage would there be? Why don't you attempt to answer that one. Good luck
That's why the twist for the 243 "should" be 8-9 cause the above question doesn't have a logical answer (other than for spinning light bullets faster for say varmint maybe?!?)
Have you ever heard of the 244 Remington? if not maybe you should educate yourself on it and you will understand this discussion a little better. It died because of being spun to slow in factory chambers. They renamed it the 6mm Remington and spun it 9 twist to stabilize heavier bullets. Not my fault tikka spun your barrel to slow. The 244 Remington was spun 1-12 not 1-10 and therefore could generally not stabilize pointed bullets of more than 90 grains as originally introduced. The 243 was spun 1-10 by Winchester from the get go so as to stabilize the 100 grain pointed deer bullets it was originally introduced with. Aside from the abnormally long, high BC target bullets there remain very few hunting bullets that won't properly stabilize out of a 10" twist.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,264
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 2,264 |
problem was it was not spun for what the shooting community wanted or needed
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 9,587 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 9,587 Likes: 1 |
my rem 788 6mm is a 1-12 and it shoot excellent with 70gr bullets.most groups are .5. it will also shoot 1inch groups with 100gr bullets.anything heavier you can forget.the gun was rebarreled to a varmint weight bullet and i use it for varmint hunting most of the time instead of deer.
we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.
Last edited by srwshooter; 12/09/16.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,363 Likes: 5
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,363 Likes: 5 |
we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.
Kinda tells a story don't it.
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the 24HCF.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,318 Likes: 25
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,318 Likes: 25 |
problem was it was not spun for what the shooting community wanted or needed And yet the .243 remains a huge seller for Winchester, Browning, Weatherby, Tikka/Sako, Thompson Center, Mossberg and others, all with 1-10 twist. There is a reason for that and I'd bet it's that not one in 100 .243 owners gives a rats azz about shooting bullets that won't stabilize out of a 10 twist.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 22,884
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 22,884 |
I actually wish that the 6 Creed would be speced with a 7 twist barrel.
That way when the bullet makers push the envelope with 115 grain projectiles, the gun will still be able to spin them.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,722
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,722 |
For guys with custom rifles and handloads it doesn't really matter.
I love the 243 but if you could buy 105 bthp's for $25 a box for 7/8 twist 6creeds otc(coppercreek already loads) it would be a great option to have.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,834
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,834 |
we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well. Bull S**t ! I have yet to read a post here, or elsewhere, stating that the 6.5 Creedmoor did not shoot well. And that includes custom builds and off the rack RAR, Howa's, Kimber's, and Savages. Stay away from whatever it is he's smokin', 'cuz it's some wacky chit.
I never thought I'd grow up to be a grumpy old man, but I did, and I'm killin' it.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,428 Likes: 7
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,428 Likes: 7 |
At my range, all the 6.5 Creeds are in the hands of young guys with hipster haircuts.
To act my age, I have to shoot a cartridge from when I was young, the 7mmRemMag.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. -Ernest Hemingway The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything.-- Edward John Phelps
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 |
At my range, all the 6.5 Creeds are in the hands of young guys with hipster haircuts.
To act my age, I have to shoot a cartridge from when I was young, the 7mmRemMag.
My new signature.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 14,755 Likes: 4
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 14,755 Likes: 4 |
Well...I'm old school so I'll stick with the .308 Win! When I really want to go back....I pick up the '06!
Can't wear 'hipster'! Damn aircraft props blew all my hair off!!
Even birds know not to land downwind!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,150 Likes: 24
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,150 Likes: 24 |
I think the 6mm Creed was developed to please the PRS crowd. Probably one of the winningest cartridges right now. Must be easy to get to shoot and brass must last good. I almost went that route on a gun I am building right now but decided to go with 6-6.5Lapua instead.
NRA Benefactor Member
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,483
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,483 |
At my range, all the 6.5 Creeds are in the hands of young guys with hipster haircuts.
To act my age, I have to shoot a cartridge from when I was young, the 7mmRemMag.
Now you're making me feel old.... ......
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,554 Likes: 21
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,554 Likes: 21 |
Pretty obvious who has dabbled in the 105s.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,554 Likes: 21
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,554 Likes: 21 |
we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.
Kinda tells a story don't it. Time to find a new gunsmith.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,834
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,834 |
we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.
Kinda tells a story don't it. Time to find a new gunsmith. E X A C T L Y
I never thought I'd grow up to be a grumpy old man, but I did, and I'm killin' it.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,992 Likes: 28
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 28,992 Likes: 28 |
If anyone cares, current Ruger .243s are twisted 1-9, which ought to handle any hunting bullets. Reloader 26 adds maybe 100fps for 100gr bullets, which is nice. Case trimming is a pain, but since it's a deer rifle for me, not a target or generally a varmint round, I can live with it. If I ever re-barrel mine, I'll think about the CR, the XC, or maybe the AI.
Last edited by Pappy348; 12/11/16.
What fresh Hell is this?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,554 Likes: 21
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 23,554 Likes: 21 |
What a factory rifle in 6 Creedmoor would offer would be the exact thing many of us have spent a lot of money to get via a new barrel. And that's the ability to shoot a 105 Scenar, Berger, or Amax. The ability to shoot those bullets puts the .243 on an entirely new level for both the hunter and the target shooter.
I already have a 105 shooting 243AI in the safe that has killed a mountain of bucks via 105s, but if I didn't, I'd be all over a 6 Creed.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 152,489 Likes: 51
Campfire Savant
|
Campfire Savant
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 152,489 Likes: 51 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 9,587 Likes: 1
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 9,587 Likes: 1 |
we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.
Kinda tells a story don't it. i've seen many guns he has built that shot great. he's been in business for 50years or so.he flat out loves the 260 and the 6.5x55sw.i have not shot a creedmore and i have shot most other 6.5's and i like them.everytime i'm in his shop and anyone brings up the creedmore he says its the worst of the 6.5's. i haven't heard much bad about any of the 6.5 caliber other then him.
Last edited by srwshooter; 12/12/16.
|
|
|
|
582 members (12344mag, 222Sako, 257 mag, 1beaver_shooter, 1_deuce, 257Bob, 71 invisible),
2,172
guests, and
1,114
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,194,565
Posts18,531,791
Members74,039
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|