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But I do have ammo. .223 might be a little quick, even loaded down for small game. At least if I don't HAVE to do it.


Not legal here for small game. Must be rimfire. miles


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Originally Posted by tzone
I don't have a .22mag rifle. I have a revolver that I carry at times. Is there a big enough difference in performance to pick up a rifle?

HUGE fan on 22lr and probably have more 22 rifles than a guy should, but one more won't hurt right?

What should I be looking at? I see Ruger has a RAR in .22 mag.


I picked up a Sako Quad in 22 magnum, expecting to put a Lilja 17 HMR barrel on it to get back a 17 Sako Quad. That gun has become my son's, lol. I got some ammo, and found the gun loves current manufacture Hornady 30 grain ammo, and I have yet to order the Lilja, as it will probably sit in a corner in the factory packaging until I shoot up my stash of Hornady ammo, or I buy more.

I shoot ground squirrels with mostly CF's, but usually bring a Kidd 10-22 with 40 grain power-point ammo. It shoots tiny groups, but at 100 yards they go plop and just bend over, sometimes it takes 2 hits to finish the job. The 22 Mag isn't as explosive as my 17 hmr's, but it does a much better job over the 22LR.

I believe it is a great step up, but if you don't have one, get a 17HMR instead of the 22 magnum.

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I bought a CZ 452 in 22 lr and after shooting that, I'm giving serious thought to a 455 in 22 WMR next. They are really nice guns.


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Originally Posted by littlecmonkey
My 22 Mag sits in the safe, but my Hornet, now that one is loaded in the corner at all times!





Same here. I have a CZ in .22 Hornet, AND a switch-barrel CZ 455. I bought a .22WMR barrel for that 455, and I think I wasted my money, that old Hornet outshoots it eight ways to Sunday. Even with the best .22WMR load (Hornady's 30gr VMax), that old Hornet will outshoot it, and WAY out-power it, too.

Frankly, I'm not a fan of the .22 Mag. It just hasn't got me interested, after spending about $2-300 for different ammo (and had a heckuva time finding it), and having poor results, I think I'll just warm up that old Hornet and leave the 455 at home.


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Thanks, ever so much for THAT mind picture!


Another advantage of the .22 mag is the "pocketability" of the ammo, as opposed to greasy, waxy LRs. Ammo for my Hornet is pocketable as well, but if I lost one, I'd be inconsolable.


"Pocketable" is why my friend, Andy, is a die-hard Marlin 983S guy. He loads the tubular magazine and goes hunting, no magazine to lose and nothing protruding below the stock to get in the way when it is being carried in one hand. This is a guy who carries that rifle at least 300 days per year, heck, I don't think that he leaves home without it.


those old 983SS were a darn nice rifle...

Never did find one on the shelf, or I would have bought it...

but I have a 25MN I put in a laminate stock... paid $99 for the rifle in 1980... and $54 for the stock... its only worn Tasco Scopes... mainly 4 x 16 World Class... that rifle sure has killed a lot of stuff... up to and including deer....

all but one of the dozen or so deer, were hit on the highway, and the Marlin rode in my 4 Runner as a Truck gun for many moons...

Good old CCI 40 grain FMJ.....shot placement, it dropped a lot of game...


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Originally Posted by deflave
I've shot gophers and rabbits side by side with a 22LR and a 22 WMR and they are not comparable. The Mag's kill schit deader.





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Yep. I have a Marlin, and it is plenty accurate to 100+, but if I was buying a rifle today, it would be a CZ at the top of my list and a Savage no.2.


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I traded for this almost new .22 Mag T-Bolt at Cabelas, Gonzalas, LA. Usually they're difficult to deal with, but I did OK.

This gun had a VX-3 2.5-8x36 with Alumina Flip Back lens covers, just the covers are worth nearly $100. I don't know if the gun dept "experts" knew or even cared, the Alumina's were passed on without cost.

This model (synthetic) has an extra mag in the buttstock. Two mags were listed, they couldn't find the extra one... blush

They scratched around there for a while, looking before I finally told them where it was... grin

The mags are a neat design, sort of a figure of 8, like a doubled up Ruger rotary mag; they work well.

Gun looks new, is a good shooter. I did some work on the trigger, got info on line. Browning doesn't like that, HAD security tape over the fire control housing. Well, what they don't know won't hurt them and I'm not too concerned about warranty.

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DF, that Browning T-bolt looks like a neat liitle setup. I like the spare mag in the buttstock!


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I just sold last week a Marlin 882ssv. Stainless bull barrel, synthetic stock. It was accurate, even with the crappy trigger. Ordered a Ruger 8335 "predator" 22 mag, waiting for it to come in. I just couldn't get past the trigger and poor balance of that Marlin, it was WAY to front heavy.

I have a pristine Browning BPR in 22 mag, but it has a problem right now. My father in law left it cocked for over 15 years, and it won't always fire. I took it apart, there are two firing pin springs. One long and one short. I can't find out how it should be, the owner's manual is too vague and haven't found another one to compare it to. Of course Browning doesn't service them anymore.


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Benn a .22 mag fan forever. When I got my Anschutz 141m as a kid in the 60's thought I'd died and gone to heaven. I could kill woodchucks stone dead past 150 yards. I've still got that rifle and it still shoots.

Got a Sako quad with 4 barrels, don't have to throw it away if they quit making some caliber. It's a shooter and a good choice for a .22 mag.

They've got piles of .22 mag ammo at the local Walmart now, large quantities and selection along with all other rim fires except M2's. Been that way since the week after the election.


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Originally Posted by cotis
I just sold last week a Marlin 882ssv. Stainless bull barrel, synthetic stock. It was accurate, even with the crappy trigger. Ordered a Ruger 8335 "predator" 22 mag, waiting for it to come in. I just couldn't get past the trigger and poor balance of that Marlin, it was WAY to front heavy.

I have a pristine Browning BPR in 22 mag, but it has a problem right now. My father in law left it cocked for over 15 years, and it won't always fire. I took it apart, there are two firing pin springs. One long and one short. I can't find out how it should be, the owner's manual is too vague and haven't found another one to compare it to. Of course Browning doesn't service them anymore.


I agree that the heavy barrel Marlin bolt guns are muzzle heavy with synthetic stocks. Because of that imbalance, I put my heavy barrel Marlin bolt guns, the 882SVV, 917M2, 917M2S, 917VSSF, and XT-22VR in Boyds Rimfire Hunter style laminated stocks. That change gives them a "big rifle" feel, making them feel more like a CF bolt gun and a better understudy.

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I have bought and flipped a bunch of rifles the last decade, the rifle I thought I would never use and made 400.00 bucks on the flip was a Marlin 1894M, 22Mag...bad move on my part.

Just so happens to be a NIB on GB

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I have a Savage 93 in 22 mag. I believe it was 130 new. I put a rifle basix trigger in it. It will shoot an enlarged hole at 50 yards with the right ammo. It will shoot minute of squirrel head at 75. They are a definite step up in power above a 22lr. for squirrels and rabbits body shots ruin the meat. Animals like armadillos a 22 kills them but they run off. A 22 mag plants them on the spot. Shooting animals the size of beavers groundhogs skunks, coons you can tell the difference.
It is impossible to buy ammo for them where I live for the last 4 years. Mine won't shoot the 30 gn bullets at all and that is all that is available here locally.

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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
I traded for this almost new .22 Mag T-Bolt at Cabelas, Gonzalas, LA. Usually they're difficult to deal with, but I did OK.

This gun had a VX-3 2.5-8x36 with Alumina Flip Back lens covers, just the covers are worth nearly $100. I don't know if the gun dept "experts" knew or even cared, the Alumina's were passed on without cost.

This model (synthetic) has an extra mag in the buttstock. Two mags were listed, they couldn't find the extra one... blush

They scratched around there for a while, looking before I finally told them where it was... grin

The mags are a neat design, sort of a figure of 8, like a doubled up Ruger rotary mag; they work well.

Gun looks new, is a good shooter. I did some work on the trigger, got info on line. Browning doesn't like that, HAD security tape over the fire control housing. Well, what they don't know won't hurt them and I'm not too concerned about warranty.

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I have scored a couple of good deals from them in the past year or so. Nothing I had to negotiate on. They came from the rack outside the Gun Library. One was a brand new Ruger Hawkeye Ultrailight 30-06. They had a 10% off coupon and I got an additional military 5% discount. It came in right at $400. The other was a Cabelas exclusive Savage Prairie Dog Hunter 22-250 heavy barrel. It was used but barely. $275. It shoots groups under 1/2 inch.

I was in there yesterday and nothing really turned me on.

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Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Originally Posted by cotis
I just sold last week a Marlin 882ssv. Stainless bull barrel, synthetic stock. It was accurate, even with the crappy trigger. Ordered a Ruger 8335 "predator" 22 mag, waiting for it to come in. I just couldn't get past the trigger and poor balance of that Marlin, it was WAY to front heavy.

I have a pristine Browning BPR in 22 mag, but it has a problem right now. My father in law left it cocked for over 15 years, and it won't always fire. I took it apart, there are two firing pin springs. One long and one short. I can't find out how it should be, the owner's manual is too vague and haven't found another one to compare it to. Of course Browning doesn't service them anymore.


The synthetic stock Savage heavy barrel rimfires balance just like the Marlins. Even my wood stock Marlin 17 HM2 is muzzle heavy. I don't mind it. They are shooters!

I agree that the heavy barrel Marlin bolt guns are muzzle heavy with synthetic stocks. Because of that imbalance, I put my heavy barrel Marlin bolt guns, the 882SVV, 917M2, 917M2S, 917VSSF, and XT-22VR in Boyds Rimfire Hunter style laminated stocks. That change gives them a "big rifle" feel, making them feel more like a CF bolt gun and a better understudy.

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Originally Posted by Hogwild7
I have a Savage 93 in 22 mag. I believe it was 130 new. I put a rifle basix trigger in it. It will shoot an enlarged hole at 50 yards with the right ammo. It will shoot minute of squirrel head at 75. They are a definite step up in power above a 22lr. for squirrels and rabbits body shots ruin the meat. Animals like armadillos a 22 kills them but they run off. A 22 mag plants them on the spot. Shooting animals the size of beavers groundhogs skunks, coons you can tell the difference.
It is impossible to buy ammo for them where I live for the last 4 years. Mine won't shoot the 30 gn bullets at all and that is all that is available here locally.


Those 93's are tack drivers. My buddy had one and that's all he used on yotes after trying 22-250 and even .223 rem he says he likes the little 22mag better because it doesn't tear up the pelt as bad. His loved the 50gr. JHP federals as does my older chuckster. However, my new RAR loves the lighter 30gr. v-max hornady's... Here's how my chuckster (that is older than me) shoots the heavy 50gr. Federal JHP "yote loads":

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Probably not as accurate as your Savage 93, but still plenty accurate enough for the hunting I do with it...


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OR buy a cz 22 hornet and load down


Cartridge : .22 Hornet(.222 groove=CIP+SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 30, Barnes VG 22430
Useable Case Capaci: 12.141 grain H2O = 0.788 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.720 inch = 43.69 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant BLUE DOT

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 59 5.40 2028 274 13797 1738 82.2 1.363
-09.0 60 5.46 2047 279 14079 1763 82.6 1.350
-08.0 61 5.52 2066 284 14365 1787 83.1 1.338
-07.0 61 5.58 2085 290 14657 1812 83.6 1.325
-06.0 62 5.64 2105 295 14953 1836 84.0 1.313
-05.0 63 5.70 2124 300 15255 1860 84.5 1.302
-04.0 63 5.76 2143 306 15562 1884 85.0 1.290
-03.0 64 5.82 2162 311 15874 1909 85.4 1.279
-02.0 65 5.88 2181 317 16192 1932 85.8 1.268
-01.0 65 5.94 2199 322 16515 1956 86.3 1.257
+00.0 66 6.00 2218 328 16843 1980 86.7 1.246
+01.0 67 6.06 2237 333 17177 2004 87.1 1.236
+02.0 67 6.12 2256 339 17517 2027 87.5 1.225
+03.0 68 6.18 2274 345 17862 2050 87.9 1.215
+04.0 69 6.24 2293 350 18213 2074 88.3 1.205
+05.0 69 6.30 2311 356 18570 2097 88.7 1.195

Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 66 6.00 2258 339 17551 2016 88.8 1.224
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 66 6.00 2177 316 16149 1939 84.4 1.269


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
I traded for this almost new .22 Mag T-Bolt at Cabelas, Gonzalas, LA. Usually they're difficult to deal with, but I did OK.

This gun had a VX-3 2.5-8x36 with Alumina Flip Back lens covers, just the covers are worth nearly $100. I don't know if the gun dept "experts" knew or even cared, the Alumina's were passed on without cost.

This model (synthetic) has an extra mag in the buttstock. Two mags were listed, they couldn't find the extra one... blush

They scratched around there for a while, looking before I finally told them where it was... grin

The mags are a neat design, sort of a figure of 8, like a doubled up Ruger rotary mag; they work well.

Gun looks new, is a good shooter. I did some work on the trigger, got info on line. Browning doesn't like that, HAD security tape over the fire control housing. Well, what they don't know won't hurt them and I'm not too concerned about warranty.

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I have scored a couple of good deals from them in the past year or so. Nothing I had to negotiate on. They came from the rack outside the Gun Library. One was a brand new Ruger Hawkeye Ultrailight 30-06. They had a 10% off coupon and I got an additional military 5% discount. It came in right at $400. The other was a Cabelas exclusive Savage Prairie Dog Hunter 22-250 heavy barrel. It was used but barely. $275. It shoots groups under 1/2 inch.

I was in there yesterday and nothing really turned me on.

Most of the time, I don't see anything I want.

If I have a gun that I want to move, one I wouildn't sell to a friend... blush

Then unloading such a piece on those guys is the way to go. They think they know so much about guns... cool

It's almost fun messing with them, if you get my drift... grin

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Originally Posted by Fotis
OR buy a cz 22 hornet and load down


Cartridge : .22 Hornet(.222 groove=CIP+SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 30, Barnes VG 22430
Useable Case Capaci: 12.141 grain H2O = 0.788 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.720 inch = 43.69 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant BLUE DOT

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 59 5.40 2028 274 13797 1738 82.2 1.363
-09.0 60 5.46 2047 279 14079 1763 82.6 1.350
-08.0 61 5.52 2066 284 14365 1787 83.1 1.338
-07.0 61 5.58 2085 290 14657 1812 83.6 1.325
-06.0 62 5.64 2105 295 14953 1836 84.0 1.313
-05.0 63 5.70 2124 300 15255 1860 84.5 1.302
-04.0 63 5.76 2143 306 15562 1884 85.0 1.290
-03.0 64 5.82 2162 311 15874 1909 85.4 1.279
-02.0 65 5.88 2181 317 16192 1932 85.8 1.268
-01.0 65 5.94 2199 322 16515 1956 86.3 1.257
+00.0 66 6.00 2218 328 16843 1980 86.7 1.246
+01.0 67 6.06 2237 333 17177 2004 87.1 1.236
+02.0 67 6.12 2256 339 17517 2027 87.5 1.225
+03.0 68 6.18 2274 345 17862 2050 87.9 1.215
+04.0 69 6.24 2293 350 18213 2074 88.3 1.205
+05.0 69 6.30 2311 356 18570 2097 88.7 1.195

Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 66 6.00 2258 339 17551 2016 88.8 1.224
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 66 6.00 2177 316 16149 1939 84.4 1.269


Now you've gone and done it...

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CZ rifle in 22 mag is perfection....22lr is nice too.

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