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Unless I'm mistaken Rl 15 & Rl 17 weren't available in the 80s-90s.

There are 1980 Trucks &
There are 2016 Trucks

No comparison.\

Jerry

Another instance of reading incomprehension...

So, if RL15 and/or RL17 are the powders that get the maximum velocity out of the 284, it seem logical that the solution is to load RL15 or RL17 in the 7mm-08 and get approximately the same 150+/- fps fewer fps of mv that the same powder, loaded to the same pressures, gets out of the 284, assuming that all variable are kept constant/equal.

BTW, 150+/- fps of mv is what the Allient site shows for the only comparable bullet for RL15.

If... If...

WHO has tried those powders in the 7-08?
You ?



Jerry

Apparently Alliant has tried RL15, as they have some load data for both cartridges using that powder on their site. www.alliantpowder.com If you look, you'll see that the velocity of their single bullet weight to bullet weight comparison in the 7mm08 and 284 has a MV difference of approximately 150 fps in favor of the larger 284.

No, I don't reload for the 7mm08, I'm happy shooting 139 grain Hornady American Whitetail factory ammo, and I prefer to shoot my 7x57s and 7mm SAUM in place of my 284s which are all heavily greased and boxed for storage.

True, Bob, but if the 280 had been loaded to the same pressures as the 270 it might have been different outcome.
The 270 had a 40 year head start and it took 15 years for its virtues to even get noticed, thanks to JOC.



Remington came out in '66 with the very first short mag in 6.5. ... WAY AHEAD of its time, like the 270 of the '20's, it needed someone to promote it.

There is still a place for short actions and short barrels and ballistics that can overcome and make up for that short-compact ergonomical package.

I have a 338 RCM with a 20" barrel and 13" LOP,(i'm 6'1").... great stalking/still hunting/woods hunting/back packing rifle.

The way it carries and comes up quick to the shoulder and points! ... I like it.

Just a different tool, that personally I find a great need for.


In regards to the 284 Win, what's a guy to do?
Should I get a 284 Win in a 23" barrel or get a 280 Rem in a 22" barrel?

Bob I'd get the 280. It seems brass and ammo are easier to access but I have not paid attention to the 284 so don't really know.

Plus I like standard length actions vs short actions,unless Im shooting varmint cartridges.... I am tall and short action rifles feel ill balanced and short coupled to me.

I was a kid during the 1950's when the 280 came out but later on most of the writers never had a bad thing to say about it, except that factory ammo did not keep up with advertised claims.....even after the name switch from 280 to "7mm Remington Express" and back again. Friends and I had them; we used them.


BTW the guy who had Goens build the 284 on the pre 64 action was Warren Cassidy, former NRA president,and a North Shore of Massachusetts local. I knew Warren since we hung out at the same gun store here but have not seen him in years. I don't know if he is still alive This was the same store that Bob Chatfield-Taylor used to frequent. It was a hot bed of rifle nuts...

Bob generally you are correct 280 vs 284.

I recently got my 284, just because. I found 284 brass AFTER some searching. 280 brass is easier found NOW thru factory ammo. As you know Rem & Win are not offering brass to reloaders. Not much luck with 284 FACTORY.

As in my case the 284 is just an addition of a rifle in a cartridge that interest me. I simply will use it for hunting and NOT my ONLY rifle. Those things have bearing.

I would NOT recommend the 284 to anyone as their MAIN shooting/hunting rifle because of lack of factory ammo & brass availability.

Also the 284 in a 98 is a STANDARD length action. I understand you height/length per S A and it makes sense.

This is NO reference to you. The OP stated he's looking at the 284 much the same as I do. Some stretched the subject well past the OP's interest and intent.

In general I'd take a 270 OR 280 before the 284 in most cases for more than 1 reason. If anyone wants something bad enuff NOT MUCH is UNobtainable.

Jerry

Jerry of course the 7 Rem Mag sort of squished everything.....the 264, the 280, the 284. It and the 270 were simply too much for the competition.

Its fun to speculate what might have been but it all never happened.

[quote=260Remguy]While it is absolutely true that the 284 case holds more powder than the 7mm-08 case, the difference in performance isn't very large, maybe 150 fps if all other variable factors remain constant/equal.


So may I deduct from this that when the 7-08 is run at 63.5K pressure wise (where I'm running my 284) "with all other variable factors remaining the same" we can expect to see 3100 with 120gr NBT's.?

My Lee manual calls for a max load of 45 grains Varget with a 120 pill for 3117 FPS @ 58537 PSI. My Hornady manuals says 43.7 grains is max for Varget running 3000 FPS, but no pressure info listed.

If you subscribe to Mule Deer's 4 to 1, case capacity increase to velocity increase rule of thumb, you can assume that since the 284 has approximately 18% more case capacity than the 7MM-08, it is likely to gain approximately 4.5% more velocity across the board. For example, if you're getting 3,260 fps with your 63.5K load in the 284, you should get approximately 95.5% of 3,260 fps, 3,113 fps, out of a 7mm08 loaded to the same pressures if all other variable factors remain constant/equal.

With 120 grain bullets, the Hodgdon site shows a velocity range from 2,968 to 3,151 for their maximum recommended loads in the 7mm-08. They show a velocity range from 3,018 to 3,245 for their maximum recommended loads in the 284. The maximum load to maximum load difference is less than 100 fps, about 3%.

I would like to have one of the 99's 284. Be great woods gun.

Don't know how they worked out from actual experience with that chambering in the 99, but the Winchester Model 88 & 100 were what the .284 was designed for.

Todays Long Bullets, and short Necks changes the situation; to the point where cats like the 6.5-284 fit best in a .30'06 length action.

I like them alot. I have settled on the .284 and .358 as the most effective cartridges available in the Savage 99. I guess you could include the 22-250 also. Anyway, the .284 is very accurate in my 99's.

This years blacktail



A few years ago




The norm for me is to jump shoot running deer and the 99 in .284 works great.

Fireball -

SWEET.

Yeah the 99 is great for quick handling & yutes & wimmins because of the short L O P. It's too short for some, those with long arms & necks.

I "HOPE" to finish my 284 project this Spring. This is my first 284 and really looking forward to hunting it.

CONGRATS

Jerry

As my boys started hunting I built both of them a 248 Win on 700 short actions. I loaded 145 grain Speer Hot Cores because of the flat tip. I had to modify the magazine some and use a mag follower from a 6.5 Rem Mag. They fed just fine and both boys have moved on to 30 cal Magnums. They were ideal to start them out with.

You could build a full battery on the 284 case. Everything from 243 up to 358.

I've done 284 based wildcats in .243", .257", .264", .308", .338", and .358" in bolt guns and Savage 99C/CDs. I like the 25-284, 6.5-284, and 338-284 the best.

260 : What OAL didi you use for each of those ?

I assume the 99's were standard 2.8" SA, but what about the 6.5 and 338 ?