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The 7-08 is the absolute perfect cartridge for deer. ...... In the wake of easily duplicated ballistics from many other offerings, these statements of perfection above all others, are amusing and not to be taken seriously. The 7/08 is nothing more than a picket in a fence of cartridge performance. That's all. Nevertheless, it is dead solid perfect in the middle of that picket fence regardless of what any snarky Yankee might say about it. You considered that snarky? What a joke. Anyway, I like the 7mm-08 more than a little, but somehow get by with a bunch of different choices. All used in the same covers. .223AI, .22-250, 7mm-08, .280AI, .300Sav, .338Fed, .30-06, .300WM. And could have made others work just as well. The perfect Deer rifle is akin to the perfect women. Or man if you happen to be a huntress. Wait, you said absolute perfect. Is it absolute with 120's, 140's, 150's, 175's? Am I being snarky? You consider "snarky" to be pejorative enough to warrant much reaction? But then again, you are clearly a godless Yankee. I had to choose the "most" perfect bullet of all of the otherwise perfect bullets in the bestest little whitetail cartridge on earth, I'm most partial to the 154 grain Interlock, which is of course, a purely handloading affair. That said, there are no flies on the 139 grain pill.
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God loves us all. Even you'll Rebs.
I like the 140 Barnes myself. Grabs them by the horns, or pussy during Doe time.
And have a wonderful Yankee Doodle Christmas. Feliz Navaida and all that.
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I'm starting to get that warm fuzzy feeling and can almost hear the angels singing Kumbaya...lol. Hope everyone is having a blessed night.
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Good lord. This is whole yankee/reb thing is weird. Glad I am from a state that didn't exist until after the war between the states. Or the war of northern aggression. Or whatever else it is.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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I started using the cartridge (7/08) about when it was introduced. Before and after that I killed deer (and other stuff) with the 7x57,7/08.280 Remington,270 Winchester and a bevy of 7mm magnums. I only got to watch what a couple of friends did with the 284 because I knew the load workup but never owned one.
All of them do anything a 7/08 does and none of them do less,velocity wise, with any bullet, so where this "perfect middle" crap comes from I have no idea (?). It sits on the lower end of 7mm cartridge performance. I am skeptical of any claims of "perfection" with so much duplicitous performance levels.
Most of this was with 140,150, and 160 gr bullets gr bullets of various makes and styles.
The difference was that the higher velocity cartridges shot flatter,and at distance killed very quickly, expanded their bullets further away but the smaller 7mm's were efficient if unspectacular. They all killed.The biggest difference between them was "bullets". I never saw anything to get excited about and still don't. It's the best thing they ever did with a 308 case but that's the best I can say about it while I stifle a yawn.
I liked the 7/08 but this notion of it occupying some theoretical "perfect middle" is perfectly subjective. I'd nominate the 280 in a heartbeat over any 7/08 or 25/06,neither of which would make any list of mine in a Top Ten all round BG cartridge....(I don;t care who uses them for what).
Anyone is free to disagree on the 280 thing as well,but these notions of "perfection"are the product of active imaginations. You'll pardon me while a stifle a snarky yawn in the face of all this "wisdom"....
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Layne Simpson said it was the perfect Whitetail cartridge and considered it the .30-30 for South. I mean wouldn't it work fine up here also? What couldn't we work a bolt? I always thought that was a snarky, if not out and out BS. Then Kenny J started bribing him with grits and the .280AI became the bell of the South.
Carmichael said the .280Rem was were it was at with the 7's. WTH did he know?
Pass the .308W if this Yankee just had to pick one.
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When did the OP ask about 280s and 30-06s? Well, he did put "Or??" in the title.
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Carmichael said the .280Rem was were it was at with the 7's. WTH did he know?
Carmichael jumped on the 280 bandwagon because he followed O'Connor and there was really no where else to go. It would not have been PC for Carmichael to use a 270; he needed his own cartridge. Carmichael could have used anything similar with the same worldwide results because he could shoot...but he mostly use a 140 Nosler Partition at just under 3100 fps as I recall.The rifle was a Clayton Nelson M70 custom. As a general purpose 7mm for BG hunting Im grabbing a 280 Remington a LONG time before any short action 7mm. Here's one of mine from a by gone era,a custom Mauser by Kevin Campbell purchased from George Caswell, and that I sold years ago; but not before I hunted it East and West for 4-5 years. I burned out the original barrel and George replaced it with a Douglas. Had not seen the rifle in years. It was common back then for snarky Yankees to buy airline tickets to hunt far places and get their experience shooting rifles and hunting, instead of reading about it on the Internet. http://www.gunsinternational.com/gu...arna-mauser-280-rem.cfm?gun_id=100656909
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I'm starting to get that warm fuzzy feeling and can almost hear the angels singing Kumbaya...lol. Hope everyone is having a blessed night.
Eddie Kumbaya???? When the Angels want warm and fuzzy, the Northern Angels sing Battle hymn of the Republic. Southern, Dixie. Kumbaya is really weird.
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You'all could do what I'm doing. Building a 7X57! It's in between the 7-08 and .280 and it's going in a "Short" action M-70! That should ruffle some feathers.
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I've killed schit with both, and can tell you WITHOUT A DOUBT, the 7mm Rem Mag is the better choice. If you don't agree you're a POS inbred or a snotnosed yank.
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You'all could do what I'm doing. Building a 7X57! It's in between the 7-08 and .280 and it's going in a "Short" action M-70! That should ruffle some feathers. "Y'all "can do what you want....BTDT,too. I agree with Tanner. But then he's smarter than the average do-do on here and has the experience . After screwing with all those subordinate 7mm's, I'll take a 7 Rem Mag any day. I hear they are hard to shoot due to excess recoil but a 30/06 is not......which I frankly find to be more Internet myth.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I'm a potato eating Irishman, and highly offended that I would have to choose either of those two choices. Bugger off laddie.... _________________________ laissez les bons temps rouler
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Good grief. We're the one's with -25*F weather. Not sure how anyone gets their panties wadded over the shape of a little brass cylinder. The world has many such cylinders, all "about perfect" for little whitetail deer. Will say, Bob despises one of my favorites, the 308 Win, but I don't take it personally. He's my friend, even though he's completely ignorant.
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At least the M70 will not have the bolt handle fall off, or the extractor break, or the trigger malfunction. Of course you will absolutely have to weld the bolt handle so it does not spin. Oh, you have to use the same barrel and stock as everyone else, and powder, and bullets. Damn, you will need a semi to haul this [bleep]. Of course, then there are the Bubba's we make fun of. Some of them, with factory stock rifles, factory ammo, see through mounted blister pack scopes, kill an awful lot of game. And, not all from the road. But then I am just passing thru life, learning as I go, Looking down at no man, looking down at my feet for no man.
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Good grief. We're the one's with -25*F weather. Not sure how anyone gets their panties wadded over the shape of a little brass cylinder. The world has many such cylinders, all "about perfect" for little whitetail deer. Will say, Bob despises one of my favorites, the 308 Win, but I don't take it personally. He's my friend, even though he's completely ignorant. Laffin'! Brad what can you expect from a Snarkey Yankee!?
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Good grief. We're the one's with -25*F weather. Not sure how anyone gets their panties wadded over the shape of a little brass cylinder. The world has many such cylinders, all "about perfect" for little whitetail deer. Will say, Bob despises one of my favorites, the 308 Win, but I don't take it personally. He's my friend, even though he's completely ignorant. Laffin'! Brad what can you expect from a Snarkey Yankee!? I prefer "cantankerous".
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Of course, then there are the Bubba's we make fun of. Some of them, with factory stock rifles, factory ammo, see through mounted blister pack scopes, kill an awful lot of game. And, not all from the road.
Southern Bubba's are most often into the good chit and willing to pay for it. Northern Bubba's not so much. Give credit were it's due.
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