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This.

And some other stuff too.

Poobs,


Gentleman's dink hunts are one thing.


Hunting for big bucks requires something a little more deadly.

grin

Larry those things happen with a .223..

I am with Sam.

Somehow, I always suspected that about Sam...:)

Kind of swiping from othe last couple of threads about this....










With the 77gr Sierra TMK and the 75gr Hornady A-MAX I have no issue with a 223 WAY past 300 yards. I've only killed deer to 303 yards with the 77gr TMK (which crushed him), but I've seen what they do to tissue below 1,600fps impact velocity and there isn't a deer alive that's walking it off from a hit in the front half....

77gr TMK at 303 yards, deer went about 10 feet.



Through scapula joint, ribs, etc. approx 18in penetration.











These are small wound channels?


77gr TMK a tick over 100 yards, traveled around 30 yards



Through the scapula and around 20in of penetrate.








2,750fps impact







2,550fps impact.








Cont..... below.

2,650fps or so










We kill a quite a few deer a year, and the 22 CF's do very well with good bullets, and are downright sinister with a couple of bullets. I/we have started to change our thoughts on bullets the more we kill with .22 CF's- used to be we thought like everyone else that "tougher bullets" such as TSX's, GMX's, etc were the way to go in the smaller guns. After several dozen kills with them I GREATLY prefer heavy 75 and 77gr AMAX/Tipped Matchkings. They damage significantly more tissue and animals do not travel nearly as far.

.With 75gr AMAX or the 77gr TMK I do not feel that I give up much of anything to bigger calibers when viewed as a whole. There is no magic in bullets or how they kill. All else being equal with sufficient penetration, the wider the wound channel (the bigger the hole) the faster things die.


The Hornady 75gr A-MAX and the 77gr Sierra Tipped Matchking are two .224 bullets that have a wider wound channel in deer sized animals than most premium bullets that deer hunters are using.






It isn't the 1960's anymore. Once John Nosler came out with the Partition and people started realizing how to engineer projectiles from the targets perspective, the world of "sensible" choices changed. Manufactures can and do create bullets for specific characteristics in tissue and it is no thang to get a 300gr .338 bullet that will come unglued and only penetrate 10in, or a 50gr .224 that will penetrate 30+ inches.

Yes, it's possible to build a larger caliber bullet that will create much more tissue damage than a 77gr .224 bullet. However I haven't met anyone that wants MORE damage than the above. So if a person can get as much or more damage than they want, more penetration than they need, less recoil, less cost, less blast, and more precision...




Bullets, bullets, bullets.....

So true - when you see a big buck, you just start throwing lead. Best if you are throwing big pieces.

SNORK!

I was patiently waiting for you to read that.


And all I get is a SNORK!?



Not even a nibble, I was clearly using the wrong lure.....grin

I was in a hurry...


Hows this?

This stuff is golden...

SamOlson: Heres where you are wrong!
I have posted previously of this family (friends of mine) here in SW Montana and their use of the 223 Remington Rifle they own to kill not only Mule Deer but Antelope, Whitetail Deer and a Mt. Goat.
Specific instance #1:
I was there when their teenage daughter killed a trophy 31" Mule Deer over in the Powder River country of eastern Montana!
That trophy Mule Deer Buck was HUGE!
AND... it was killed with one shot!
Broad and sweeping statements are quite often erroneous.
I suggest you get some first hand experience before you make statements like you have in regards to the 223 Remington's lethality.
Carefully placed shots through the heart/lungs of Deer sized game WILL render said creatures dead - I know!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I think Sam has one on..

Anyone using Nosler's 80 grain Custom Competition as a hunting bullet for deer?





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This proves you are wrong Sammo!

Beyond the shadow of a doubt!

TFF!

Ive been hog hunting and deer hunting with 223 for years. They heavy bullets work great!

Furthest hog kill is 335 yards with a 18" 8 Twist AR shooting 64gr Gold Dot loaded with CFE223. Closest kill was at the end of my suppressor when one snuck up on us.

Furthest Deer kill is 510 yards with a 77gr TMK out of the same 18" AR.

I see alot of people look down on a 223 but most of them have trouble killing a deer with a 300WM. And alot will go out and use FMJ and wonder why it ran off.

Our deer aren't very big does 80-110lbs bucks 110-150lbs I have plans for an 8 twist T3 223 to try out myself. Figure on a partition or tsx of some flavor.